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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:59 am 
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to the black men who were wrongly arrested and removed from one of their stores in Philly.

https://news.starbucks.com/views/starbu ... a-incident


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The Philly Police Commissioner's response to the incident...sounds like they were rightly arrested:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Philadelphia's police commissioner on Saturday defended officers who arrested two black men at a Starbucks, prompting accusations of racism on social media, concern from the mayor and an apology from the company.

Videos posted online show officers handcuffing the men in the downtown establishment on Thursday. A white man in the video is heard saying he was meeting with the men and calls the arrest "ridiculous."

Commissioner Richard Ross said Starbucks employees called 911 to say the men were trespassing. He said officers were told that the men had come in and asked to use the restroom but were denied because they hadn't bought anything, as he said is company policy. He said they then refused to leave.

Ross, who is black, said police asked the men to leave three times but they refused, and they were then arrested but were later released after the company elected not to prosecute. He said the officers "did absolutely nothing wrong" and were professional in their conduct toward the individuals but "got the opposite back." He did not mention the person who said he was meeting with the men.

"As an African American male, I am very aware of implicit bias; we are committed to fair and unbiased policing," Ross said. But he added "If a business calls and they say that 'Someone is here that I no longer wish to be in my business' (officers) now have a legal obligation to carry out their duties and they did just that."

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The Philly Police Commissioner's response to the incident...sounds like they were rightly arrested:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Philadelphia's police commissioner on Saturday defended officers who arrested two black men at a Starbucks, prompting accusations of racism on social media, concern from the mayor and an apology from the company.

Videos posted online show officers handcuffing the men in the downtown establishment on Thursday. A white man in the video is heard saying he was meeting with the men and calls the arrest "ridiculous."

Commissioner Richard Ross said Starbucks employees called 911 to say the men were trespassing. He said officers were told that the men had come in and asked to use the restroom but were denied because they hadn't bought anything, as he said is company policy. He said they then refused to leave.

Ross, who is black, said police asked the men to leave three times but they refused, and they were then arrested but were later released after the company elected not to prosecute. He said the officers "did absolutely nothing wrong" and were professional in their conduct toward the individuals but "got the opposite back." He did not mention the person who said he was meeting with the men.

"As an African American male, I am very aware of implicit bias; we are committed to fair and unbiased policing," Ross said. But he added "If a business calls and they say that 'Someone is here that I no longer wish to be in my business' (officers) now have a legal obligation to carry out their duties and they did just that."

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I don’t think race played a part on the cops’ side because they let them go after further evaluation. The two guys may have asked to use the bathroom, but they were also there waiting on the rest of their group and hadn’t ordered yet. The Starbucks employee’s mistake was calling the cops in the first place.


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to the black men who were wrongly arrested and removed from one of their stores in Philly.

https://news.starbucks.com/views/starbu ... a-incident


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Whether they're due one or not aside, that's not an apology. That's something written by a bunch of lawyers to take no responsibility while making LIV-types think they did.

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Whether they're due one or not aside, that's not an apology. That's something written by a bunch of lawyers to take no responsibility while making LIV-types think they did.
Ayup...a very poorly, hastily written CYA.

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to the black men who were wrongly arrested and removed from one of their stores in Philly.

https://news.starbucks.com/views/starbu ... a-incident


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Whether they're due one or not aside, that's not an apology. That's something written by a bunch of lawyers to take no responsibility while making LIV-types think they did.
Too late, Nolan already made a wet spot in his pants.

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I don’t think race played a part on the cops’ side because they let them go after further evaluation. The two guys may have asked to use the bathroom, but they were also there waiting on the rest of their group and hadn’t ordered yet. The Starbucks employee’s mistake was calling the cops in the first place.


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The fact that you have to ask for a key to use the bathroom at this Starbucks kind of speaks to the fact that not all their customers are their for (legal) business meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a number of important facts / context missing from this story.

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nolanvt wrote:
Major Kong wrote:
The Philly Police Commissioner's response to the incident...sounds like they were rightly arrested:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Philadelphia's police commissioner on Saturday defended officers who arrested two black men at a Starbucks, prompting accusations of racism on social media, concern from the mayor and an apology from the company.

Videos posted online show officers handcuffing the men in the downtown establishment on Thursday. A white man in the video is heard saying he was meeting with the men and calls the arrest "ridiculous."

Commissioner Richard Ross said Starbucks employees called 911 to say the men were trespassing. He said officers were told that the men had come in and asked to use the restroom but were denied because they hadn't bought anything, as he said is company policy. He said they then refused to leave.

Ross, who is black, said police asked the men to leave three times but they refused, and they were then arrested but were later released after the company elected not to prosecute. He said the officers "did absolutely nothing wrong" and were professional in their conduct toward the individuals but "got the opposite back." He did not mention the person who said he was meeting with the men.

"As an African American male, I am very aware of implicit bias; we are committed to fair and unbiased policing," Ross said. But he added "If a business calls and they say that 'Someone is here that I no longer wish to be in my business' (officers) now have a legal obligation to carry out their duties and they did just that."

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I don’t think race played a part on the cops’ side because they let them go after further evaluation. The two guys may have asked to use the bathroom, but they were also there waiting on the rest of their group and hadn’t ordered yet. The Starbucks employee’s mistake was calling the cops in the first place.


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except your initial post is totally false, the business can trespass someone for just about any reason. Watching Live PD you see it all the time. Of course the Starbucks thing turns into a big issue as it is two black people being treated badly (in their words). My question would be why did the men not say they were waiting on someone and would be ordering later? Or were they butt heads to the business's employees instead of being decent humans and that is what led to the assumptions made by the employees?


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except your initial post is totally false, the business can trespass someone for just about any reason. Watching Live PD you see it all the time. Of course the Starbucks thing turns into a big issue as it is two black people being treated badly (in their words). My question would be why did the men not say they were waiting on someone and would be ordering later? Or were they butt heads to the business's employees instead of being decent humans and that is what led to the assumptions made by the employees?


Maybe they were not, in fact, planning to order at all? They were just there to have a meeting and nobody in their party was going to order anything?

The issue is that Starbucks doesn't consistently enforce a policy of kicking people out who have no intention of ever ordering anything - they only kicked out black people who didn't order anything. If they were being belligerent, I would think that would have come out from one of the numerous people with cameras.

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However, I’ve never been to a Starbucks where you needed a code for the bathroom. Sounds like a sketchy neighborhood where the store didn’t tolerate loiterers. The original article said the employee was following company policy.

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except your initial post is totally false, the business can trespass someone for just about any reason. Watching Live PD you see it all the time. Of course the Starbucks thing turns into a big issue as it is two black people being treated badly (in their words). My question would be why did the men not say they were waiting on someone and would be ordering later? Or were they butt heads to the business's employees instead of being decent humans and that is what led to the assumptions made by the employees?


Maybe they were not, in fact, planning to order at all? They were just there to have a meeting and nobody in their party was going to order anything?

The issue is that Starbucks doesn't consistently enforce a policy of kicking people out who have no intention of ever ordering anything - they only kicked out black people who didn't order anything. If they were being belligerent, I would think that would have come out from one of the numerous people with cameras.


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cwtcr hokie wrote:
except your initial post is totally false, the business can trespass someone for just about any reason. Watching Live PD you see it all the time. Of course the Starbucks thing turns into a big issue as it is two black people being treated badly (in their words). My question would be why did the men not say they were waiting on someone and would be ordering later? Or were they butt heads to the business's employees instead of being decent humans and that is what led to the assumptions made by the employees?


Maybe they were not, in fact, planning to order at all? They were just there to have a meeting and nobody in their party was going to order anything?

The issue is that Starbucks doesn't consistently enforce a policy of kicking people out who have no intention of ever ordering anything - they only kicked out black people who didn't order anything. If they were being belligerent, I would think that would have come out from one of the numerous people with cameras.


And Starbucks has a right to enforce its policy, its as simple as that

see MCL3 post, there could be an issue with the location, I have seen it several times that restrooms are not usable unless you are buying something, pretty simple policy


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And Starbucks has a right to enforce its policy, its as simple as that

see MCL3 post, there could be an issue with the location, I have seen it several times that restrooms are not usable unless you are buying something, pretty simple policy


Of course they have a right to deny access to the restrooms to people who don't order something. (They DO consistently enforce that policy and so there is no racism there.)

They even have a right to eject people from the store if they don't order something. But that is NOT a policy that they enforce anywhere. That inconsistency is the reason that this is a problem - if every single person who sat in the store without ordering something was kicked out, then Starbucks would not be in trouble here.

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Plot twist: what if....the barista who called the cops (in addition to the person with the camera) knows these two? Errebody gettin paid.

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The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.

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The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.


Well there goes my plot twist. Death threats commence in 3....2.....

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The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.


Well there goes my plot twist. Death threats commence in 3....2.....


Better luck next time.


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The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.


Well there goes my plot twist. Death threats commence in 3....2.....
Why wouldn't a white woman know them?

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The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.


Well there goes my plot twist. Death threats commence in 3....2.....
Why wouldn't a white woman know them?


It's possible, but anyone doing this should know backlash was coming. Not a smart move on her part if that's what happened.

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