Not really. Just look at the care they're giving this kid. Letting people die is obviously cheaper, but not better care.ip_law-hokie wrote:Well, the reality is that the system the UK has in place provides more services to their citizens for a cheaper price that what we receive here.awesome guy wrote:Not really. My healthcare doesn't affect you. Your way of thinking could be applied to any transaction, like if I buy flowers for my wife then you can't buy the same ones. It's too abstract and removed from reality.ip_law-hokie wrote:I’m pointing out the reality that already exists under any system.awesome guy wrote:So? You're pointing out a good reason not to have socialized medicine.ip_law-hokie wrote:Because one persons actions affect others in the system.awesome guy wrote:Why should that matter from a moral standpoint?
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Depends on the healthcare system.[/quote]Why should that matter from a moral standpoint?
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Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Not really. My healthcare doesn't affect you. Your way of thinking could be applied to any transaction, like if I buy flowers for my wife then you can't buy the same ones. It's too abstract and removed from reality.[/quote]
Well, the reality is that the system the UK has in place provides more services to their citizens for a cheaper price that what we receive here.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Not really. Just look at the care they're giving this kid. Letting people die is obviously cheaper, but not better care.[/quote]
I'm not going to draw negative inferences against the system over a brain dead kid.
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I’m pointing out the reality that already exists under any system.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Not really. My healthcare doesn't affect you. Your way of thinking could be applied to any transaction, like if I buy flowers for my wife then you can't buy the same ones. It's too abstract and removed from reality.[/quote]
Well, the reality is that the system the UK has in place provides more services to their citizens for a cheaper price that what we receive here.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Not really. Just look at the care they're giving this kid. Letting people die is obviously cheaper, but not better care.[/quote]
I'm not going to draw negative inferences against the system over a brain dead kid.
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In a socialized medical system, you are correct. Unless of course someone can fund care outside of the system. Money or charity is the gating mechanism. Nothing else.ip_law-hokie wrote:Because one persons actions affect others in the system.awesome guy wrote:Why should that matter from a moral standpoint?ip_law-hokie wrote:Depends on the healthcare system.awesome guy wrote:Whose choice is it?ip_law-hokie wrote: It always depends on the circumstances, but there are instances in which parents are incapable of accepting cold, hard reality, which in turn can negatively impact others who are capable of being helped.
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By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.ip_law-hokie wrote: Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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Slippery slope.USN_Hokie wrote:By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.ip_law-hokie wrote: Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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Hence, why socialized medicine is immoral and anathema to our Constitution and the concept of negative rights.HokieJoe wrote:In a socialized medical system, you are correct.ip_law-hokie wrote:
Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:Slippery slope.USN_Hokie wrote:By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.ip_law-hokie wrote: Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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AG wanted me to explain the logic under their system. HokieJoe said it was correct.USN_Hokie wrote:Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:Slippery slope.USN_Hokie wrote:By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.ip_law-hokie wrote: Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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Not sure that it is cheaper given the taxes they pay. And certainly not more services than available in the US. Not even close.ip_law-hokie wrote:Well, the reality is that the system the UK has in place provides more services to their citizens for a cheaper price that what we receive here.awesome guy wrote:Not really. My healthcare doesn't affect you. Your way of thinking could be applied to any transaction, like if I buy flowers for my wife then you can't buy the same ones. It's too abstract and removed from reality.ip_law-hokie wrote:I’m pointing out the reality that already exists under any system.awesome guy wrote:So? You're pointing out a good reason not to have socialized medicine.ip_law-hokie wrote:Because one persons actions affect others in the system.awesome guy wrote:Why should that matter from a moral standpoint?
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Taking the kid to Italy affects nobody in the UK system...or, not anymore than it does here. Your argument is consistently stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:AG wanted me to explain the logic under their system. HokieJoe said it was correct.USN_Hokie wrote:Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:Slippery slope.USN_Hokie wrote:By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.ip_law-hokie wrote: Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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It's not my argument, but OK.USN_Hokie wrote:Taking the kid to Italy affects nobody in the UK system...or, not anymore than it does here. Your argument is consistently stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:AG wanted me to explain the logic under their system. HokieJoe said it was correct.USN_Hokie wrote:Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:Slippery slope.USN_Hokie wrote:By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.ip_law-hokie wrote: Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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Yes, I think what's happening here is the logical result of socialized medicine. It's utterly immoral IMO.ip_law-hokie wrote:AG wanted me to explain the logic under their system. HokieJoe said it was correct.USN_Hokie wrote:Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:Slippery slope.USN_Hokie wrote:By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.ip_law-hokie wrote: Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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IP makes a great argument for exterminating invalids and pensioners, guys. I'll give him that.
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You should apologize.USN_Hokie wrote:IP makes a great argument for exterminating invalids and pensioners, guys. I'll give him that.
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I think advocates for the system would characterize it as a necessary evil.HokieJoe wrote:Yes, I think what's happening here is the logical result of socialized medicine. It's utterly immoral IMO.ip_law-hokie wrote:AG wanted me to explain the logic under their system. HokieJoe said it was correct.USN_Hokie wrote:Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:Slippery slope.USN_Hokie wrote:By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.ip_law-hokie wrote: Because one persons actions affect others in the system.
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If you consider killing people off as necessary then you need to adjust your moral compass.ip_law-hokie wrote:I think advocates for the system would characterize it as a necessary evil.HokieJoe wrote:Yes, I think what's happening here is the logical result of socialized medicine. It's utterly immoral IMO.ip_law-hokie wrote:AG wanted me to explain the logic under their system. HokieJoe said it was correct.USN_Hokie wrote:Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.ip_law-hokie wrote:Slippery slope.USN_Hokie wrote: By that standard, the government can/should be able to regulate/control everything (speech, religion, freedom of association, speedy trials, bearing arms, intellectual property rights, due process, etc.). Completely absurd.
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Why? It's your plan. They are all drains on society whose existence affects others. What are you thinking....load them into boxcars?ip_law-hokie wrote:You should apologize.USN_Hokie wrote:IP makes a great argument for exterminating invalids and pensioners, guys. I'll give him that.
Note: this isn't a "slippery slope", it's direct application of your argument. If the government gets to kill your baby because he's cost the government $X without any opportunity for recoupment, the same should be true for your grandpa.
ETA: Psst...They're already doing this with the elderly across the pond.
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Slippery slope.
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Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.[/quote]
AG wanted me to explain the logic under their system. HokieJoe said it was correct.
Try either to control yourself or understand the context of my exchange with AG.[/quote]
Yes, I think what's happening here is the logical result of socialized medicine. It's utterly immoral IMO.[/quote]
I think advocates for the system would characterize it as a necessary evil.[/quote]If you consider killing people off as necessary then you need to adjust your moral compass.[/quote]
I haven't read the link, but I don't see how this situation amounts to "killing people off." A brain dead person is already dead.
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Not at all, your "argument" is just stupid.[/quote]
AG wanted me to explain the logic under their system. HokieJoe said it was correct.
Try either to control yourself or understand the context of my exchange with AG.[/quote]
Yes, I think what's happening here is the logical result of socialized medicine. It's utterly immoral IMO.[/quote]
I think advocates for the system would characterize it as a necessary evil.[/quote]If you consider killing people off as necessary then you need to adjust your moral compass.[/quote]
I haven't read the link, but I don't see how this situation amounts to "killing people off." A brain dead person is already dead.
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ip Blind Spot133743Hokie wrote:Not sure that it is cheaper given the taxes they pay. And certainly not more services than available in the US. Not even close.
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If you walked into a hospital room and stabbed a brain dead patient to death, would you be charged with murder?ip_law-hokie wrote: I haven't read the link, but I don't see how this situation amounts to "killing people off." A brain dead person is already dead.
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I haven't read the link, but I don't see how this situation amounts to "killing people off." A brain dead person is already dead.
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As I've stated before in this thread, which you've ignored then and will probably ignore now, I haven't formed an opinion about receiving outside care under a single payer system.USN_Hokie wrote:Why? It's your plan. They are all drains on society whose existence affects others. What are you thinking....load them into boxcars?ip_law-hokie wrote:You should apologize.USN_Hokie wrote:IP makes a great argument for exterminating invalids and pensioners, guys. I'll give him that.
Note: this isn't a "slippery slope", it's direct application of your argument. If the government gets to kill your baby because he's cost the government $X without any opportunity for recoupment, the same should be true for your grandpa.
Your statements about recoupment costs being a factor in medical care are yours and yours alone.
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"One person's actions affect others in the system"ip_law-hokie wrote:As I've stated before in this thread, which you've ignored then and will probably ignore now, I haven't formed an opinion about receiving outside care under a single payer system.USN_Hokie wrote:Why? It's your plan. They are all drains on society whose existence affects others. What are you thinking....load them into boxcars?ip_law-hokie wrote:You should apologize.USN_Hokie wrote:IP makes a great argument for exterminating invalids and pensioners, guys. I'll give him that.
Note: this isn't a "slippery slope", it's direct application of your argument. If the government gets to kill your baby because he's cost the government $X without any opportunity for recoupment, the same should be true for your grandpa.
Your statements about recoupment costs being a factor in medical care are yours and yours alone.
That was your argument for killing a baby.
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That's incorrect.USN_Hokie wrote:"One person's actions affect others in the system"ip_law-hokie wrote:As I've stated before in this thread, which you've ignored then and will probably ignore now, I haven't formed an opinion about receiving outside care under a single payer system.USN_Hokie wrote:Why? It's your plan. They are all drains on society whose existence affects others. What are you thinking....load them into boxcars?ip_law-hokie wrote:You should apologize.USN_Hokie wrote:IP makes a great argument for exterminating invalids and pensioners, guys. I'll give him that.
Note: this isn't a "slippery slope", it's direct application of your argument. If the government gets to kill your baby because he's cost the government $X without any opportunity for recoupment, the same should be true for your grandpa.
Your statements about recoupment costs being a factor in medical care are yours and yours alone.
That was your argument for killing a baby.
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Irrelevant.USN_Hokie wrote:If you walked into a hospital room and stabbed a brain dead patient to death, would you be charged with murder?ip_law-hokie wrote: I haven't read the link, but I don't see how this situation amounts to "killing people off." A brain dead person is already dead.
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