BigDave wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:21 am
Interesting video. And absolutely more stunning if the head of the CDC the night before the announcement was saying that the science wasn't there yet.
The press secretary basically said, well, only a few people knew about the announcement. You'd think the head of the CDC would have been one of them.
BigDave wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:21 am
Interesting video. And absolutely more stunning if the head of the CDC the night before the announcement was saying that the science wasn't there yet.
The press secretary basically said, well, only a few people knew about the announcement. You'd think the head of the CDC would have been one of them.
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."
ip believes you can dial in a 78 year old man who suffers from deminishing mental function
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
makes perfect sense! LOL You know that strokes and other related complications aren't going to be attributed to the vaccine either.
They'll never tell the truth, they just want you to take it because they figure that dead 40 year olds is better than an overwhelmed hospital full of 80 year old Covid-19 patients. And if you have complicated and nuanced guidance, as is really the case, then many who should take it won't take it. Whereas this approach though is getting people to take it who shouldn't. It makes sense for the 70+year olds to take it because they don't have a lot of long term to worry about. But those outside of that demographic have very little risk of Covid-19 and so are taking on unnecessary risk from the vaccine itself. It'll be child abuse to force minors to take it. Plus look at the 1918 graph, this flu could easily follow the trajectory of that one and work itself out over the span 18 months from the start. Covid-19 already follows it perfectly. That's the way viruses usually work where if you view them from the perspective of their lifespan of a species, they're only deadly to humans in that 18 month window. They then evolve into something not dangerous and peter out as a health concern. Or it's natural selection and the people vulnerable don't survive and so everyone still alive is able to withstand it. But this one looks lab born and isn't following that evolutionary course so far and could just as likely evolve deadly variants. Usually the variants are less and less lethal. We'll see, wait and see is still the smarted option till we hit the end of the 18 month window. Plus then we'll 12 months of data on the vaccine and so can better assess risk. In a bit, they could have traditional vaccines that aren't nearly as risky.
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
Curious how that works
"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."
ip believes you can dial in a 78 year old man who suffers from deminishing mental function
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
No, that's not true.
I haven't seen the numbers for the 223 deaths, but when there were 88 deaths from vaccinated ppl who had covid, 77 of them were considered covid deaths, and 11 were something other than covid.
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
makes perfect sense! LOL You know that strokes and other related complications aren't going to be attributed to the vaccine either.
They'll never tell the truth, they just want you to take it because they figure that dead 40 year olds is better than an overwhelmed hospital full of 80 year old Covid-19 patients. And if you have complicated and nuanced guidance, as is really the case, then many who should take it won't take it. Whereas this approach though is getting people to take it who shouldn't. It makes sense for the 70+year olds to take it because they don't have a lot of long term to worry about. But those outside of that demographic have very little risk of Covid-19 and so are taking on unnecessary risk from the vaccine itself. It'll be child abuse to force minors to take it. Plus look at the 1918 graph, this flu could easily follow the trajectory of that one and work itself out over the span 18 months from the start. Covid-19 already follows it perfectly. That's the way viruses usually work where if you view them from the perspective of their lifespan of a species, they're only deadly to humans in that 18 month window. They then evolve into something not dangerous and peter out as a health concern. Or it's natural selection and the people vulnerable don't survive and so everyone still alive is able to withstand it. But this one looks lab born and isn't following that evolutionary course so far and could just as likely evolve deadly variants. Usually the variants are less and less lethal. We'll see, wait and see is still the smarted option till we hit the end of the 18 month window. Plus then we'll 12 months of data on the vaccine and so can better assess risk. In a bit, they could have traditional vaccines that aren't nearly as risky.
I think you meant to say "better than morgues full of dead 80 year olds"
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
makes perfect sense! LOL You know that strokes and other related complications aren't going to be attributed to the vaccine either.
They'll never tell the truth, they just want you to take it because they figure that dead 40 year olds is better than an overwhelmed hospital full of 80 year old Covid-19 patients. And if you have complicated and nuanced guidance, as is really the case, then many who should take it won't take it. Whereas this approach though is getting people to take it who shouldn't. It makes sense for the 70+year olds to take it because they don't have a lot of long term to worry about. But those outside of that demographic have very little risk of Covid-19 and so are taking on unnecessary risk from the vaccine itself. It'll be child abuse to force minors to take it. Plus look at the 1918 graph, this flu could easily follow the trajectory of that one and work itself out over the span 18 months from the start. Covid-19 already follows it perfectly. That's the way viruses usually work where if you view them from the perspective of their lifespan of a species, they're only deadly to humans in that 18 month window. They then evolve into something not dangerous and peter out as a health concern. Or it's natural selection and the people vulnerable don't survive and so everyone still alive is able to withstand it. But this one looks lab born and isn't following that evolutionary course so far and could just as likely evolve deadly variants. Usually the variants are less and less lethal. We'll see, wait and see is still the smarted option till we hit the end of the 18 month window. Plus then we'll 12 months of data on the vaccine and so can better assess risk. In a bit, they could have traditional vaccines that aren't nearly as risky.
I think you meant to say "better than morgues full of dead 80 year olds"
Nope, I said what I mean. They'd accept dead people not at high risk to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. They see that as the greatest fear as it makes treating everyone else with regular issues difficult or impossible.
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
makes perfect sense! LOL You know that strokes and other related complications aren't going to be attributed to the vaccine either.
They'll never tell the truth, they just want you to take it because they figure that dead 40 year olds is better than an overwhelmed hospital full of 80 year old Covid-19 patients. And if you have complicated and nuanced guidance, as is really the case, then many who should take it won't take it. Whereas this approach though is getting people to take it who shouldn't. It makes sense for the 70+year olds to take it because they don't have a lot of long term to worry about. But those outside of that demographic have very little risk of Covid-19 and so are taking on unnecessary risk from the vaccine itself. It'll be child abuse to force minors to take it. Plus look at the 1918 graph, this flu could easily follow the trajectory of that one and work itself out over the span 18 months from the start. Covid-19 already follows it perfectly. That's the way viruses usually work where if you view them from the perspective of their lifespan of a species, they're only deadly to humans in that 18 month window. They then evolve into something not dangerous and peter out as a health concern. Or it's natural selection and the people vulnerable don't survive and so everyone still alive is able to withstand it. But this one looks lab born and isn't following that evolutionary course so far and could just as likely evolve deadly variants. Usually the variants are less and less lethal. We'll see, wait and see is still the smarted option till we hit the end of the 18 month window. Plus then we'll 12 months of data on the vaccine and so can better assess risk. In a bit, they could have traditional vaccines that aren't nearly as risky.
I think you meant to say "better than morgues full of dead 80 year olds"
Nope, I said what I mean. They'd accept dead people not at high risk to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. They see that as the greatest fear as it makes treating everyone else with regular issues difficult or impossible.
Do you just sit around thinking this stuff up? Guidelines were enacted to limit/reduce numbers catching the virus and dying.
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
makes perfect sense! LOL You know that strokes and other related complications aren't going to be attributed to the vaccine either.
They'll never tell the truth, they just want you to take it because they figure that dead 40 year olds is better than an overwhelmed hospital full of 80 year old Covid-19 patients. And if you have complicated and nuanced guidance, as is really the case, then many who should take it won't take it. Whereas this approach though is getting people to take it who shouldn't. It makes sense for the 70+year olds to take it because they don't have a lot of long term to worry about. But those outside of that demographic have very little risk of Covid-19 and so are taking on unnecessary risk from the vaccine itself. It'll be child abuse to force minors to take it. Plus look at the 1918 graph, this flu could easily follow the trajectory of that one and work itself out over the span 18 months from the start. Covid-19 already follows it perfectly. That's the way viruses usually work where if you view them from the perspective of their lifespan of a species, they're only deadly to humans in that 18 month window. They then evolve into something not dangerous and peter out as a health concern. Or it's natural selection and the people vulnerable don't survive and so everyone still alive is able to withstand it. But this one looks lab born and isn't following that evolutionary course so far and could just as likely evolve deadly variants. Usually the variants are less and less lethal. We'll see, wait and see is still the smarted option till we hit the end of the 18 month window. Plus then we'll 12 months of data on the vaccine and so can better assess risk. In a bit, they could have traditional vaccines that aren't nearly as risky.
I think you meant to say "better than morgues full of dead 80 year olds"
Nope, I said what I mean. They'd accept dead people not at high risk to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. They see that as the greatest fear as it makes treating everyone else with regular issues difficult or impossible.
Do you just sit around thinking this stuff up? Guidelines were enacted to limit/reduce numbers catching the virus and dying.
If that were true then just the vulnerable would receive it, not the entire planet.
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
makes perfect sense! LOL You know that strokes and other related complications aren't going to be attributed to the vaccine either.
They'll never tell the truth, they just want you to take it because they figure that dead 40 year olds is better than an overwhelmed hospital full of 80 year old Covid-19 patients. And if you have complicated and nuanced guidance, as is really the case, then many who should take it won't take it. Whereas this approach though is getting people to take it who shouldn't. It makes sense for the 70+year olds to take it because they don't have a lot of long term to worry about. But those outside of that demographic have very little risk of Covid-19 and so are taking on unnecessary risk from the vaccine itself. It'll be child abuse to force minors to take it. Plus look at the 1918 graph, this flu could easily follow the trajectory of that one and work itself out over the span 18 months from the start. Covid-19 already follows it perfectly. That's the way viruses usually work where if you view them from the perspective of their lifespan of a species, they're only deadly to humans in that 18 month window. They then evolve into something not dangerous and peter out as a health concern. Or it's natural selection and the people vulnerable don't survive and so everyone still alive is able to withstand it. But this one looks lab born and isn't following that evolutionary course so far and could just as likely evolve deadly variants. Usually the variants are less and less lethal. We'll see, wait and see is still the smarted option till we hit the end of the 18 month window. Plus then we'll 12 months of data on the vaccine and so can better assess risk. In a bit, they could have traditional vaccines that aren't nearly as risky.
I think you meant to say "better than morgues full of dead 80 year olds"
Nope, I said what I mean. They'd accept dead people not at high risk to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. They see that as the greatest fear as it makes treating everyone else with regular issues difficult or impossible.
Do you just sit around thinking this stuff up? Guidelines were enacted to limit/reduce numbers catching the virus and dying.
If that were true then just the vulnerable would receive it, not the entire planet.
Which is why the vulnerable were the first, second and third in line of priority.
makes perfect sense! LOL You know that strokes and other related complications aren't going to be attributed to the vaccine either.
They'll never tell the truth, they just want you to take it because they figure that dead 40 year olds is better than an overwhelmed hospital full of 80 year old Covid-19 patients. And if you have complicated and nuanced guidance, as is really the case, then many who should take it won't take it. Whereas this approach though is getting people to take it who shouldn't. It makes sense for the 70+year olds to take it because they don't have a lot of long term to worry about. But those outside of that demographic have very little risk of Covid-19 and so are taking on unnecessary risk from the vaccine itself. It'll be child abuse to force minors to take it. Plus look at the 1918 graph, this flu could easily follow the trajectory of that one and work itself out over the span 18 months from the start. Covid-19 already follows it perfectly. That's the way viruses usually work where if you view them from the perspective of their lifespan of a species, they're only deadly to humans in that 18 month window. They then evolve into something not dangerous and peter out as a health concern. Or it's natural selection and the people vulnerable don't survive and so everyone still alive is able to withstand it. But this one looks lab born and isn't following that evolutionary course so far and could just as likely evolve deadly variants. Usually the variants are less and less lethal. We'll see, wait and see is still the smarted option till we hit the end of the 18 month window. Plus then we'll 12 months of data on the vaccine and so can better assess risk. In a bit, they could have traditional vaccines that aren't nearly as risky.
I think you meant to say "better than morgues full of dead 80 year olds"
Nope, I said what I mean. They'd accept dead people not at high risk to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. They see that as the greatest fear as it makes treating everyone else with regular issues difficult or impossible.
Do you just sit around thinking this stuff up? Guidelines were enacted to limit/reduce numbers catching the virus and dying.
If that were true then just the vulnerable would receive it, not the entire planet.
Which is why the vulnerable were the first, second and third in line of priority.
1st in line are the only vulnerable. It's an unnecessary risk for everyone else. FL demonstrated this in how they handled Covid-19 vs NY.
HokieHam wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pmYup.......
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky was asked on CNN if anyone who has been fully vaccinated has died of Covid-19. The number apparently is 223.....
She responds:
Not all of those 223 cases who had covid actually died of Covid. They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack.
So for anyone who died of anything last year but happened to have Covid, their death was marked as Covid-19. But now, if anyone dies with Covid after being fully vaccinated... but there are other comorbidities... Covid will not be considered the cause of death?
No, that's not true.
I haven't seen the numbers for the 223 deaths, but when there were 88 deaths from vaccinated ppl who had covid, 77 of them were considered covid deaths, and 11 were something other than covid.
You guys can unbunch your panties now.
My panties aren’t in a bunch, goober.
"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."
ip believes you can dial in a 78 year old man who suffers from deminishing mental function
133743Hokie wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 10:35 pm
I think you meant to say "better than morgues full of dead 80 year olds"
Nope, I said what I mean. They'd accept dead people not at high risk to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. They see that as the greatest fear as it makes treating everyone else with regular issues difficult or impossible.
Do you just sit around thinking this stuff up? Guidelines were enacted to limit/reduce numbers catching the virus and dying.
If that were true then just the vulnerable would receive it, not the entire planet.
Which is why the vulnerable were the first, second and third in line of priority.
1st in line are the only vulnerable. It's an unnecessary risk for everyone else. FL demonstrated this in how they handled Covid-19 vs NY.
Tell me from your couch in VA how Florida handled it so differently, keeping in mind I'm a Florida resident so experienced the policies first hand for a good part of the last year.
Nope, I said what I mean. They'd accept dead people not at high risk to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. They see that as the greatest fear as it makes treating everyone else with regular issues difficult or impossible.
Do you just sit around thinking this stuff up? Guidelines were enacted to limit/reduce numbers catching the virus and dying.
If that were true then just the vulnerable would receive it, not the entire planet.
Which is why the vulnerable were the first, second and third in line of priority.
1st in line are the only vulnerable. It's an unnecessary risk for everyone else. FL demonstrated this in how they handled Covid-19 vs NY.
Tell me from your couch in VA how Florida handled it so differently, keeping in mind I'm a Florida resident so experienced the policies first hand for a good part of the last year.
Not to mention the Gov. changed the way the numbers were reported (political move) and had the person who was reporting them removed and then later falsely arrested.
133743Hokie wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 10:44 pm
Do you just sit around thinking this stuff up? Guidelines were enacted to limit/reduce numbers catching the virus and dying.
If that were true then just the vulnerable would receive it, not the entire planet.
Which is why the vulnerable were the first, second and third in line of priority.
1st in line are the only vulnerable. It's an unnecessary risk for everyone else. FL demonstrated this in how they handled Covid-19 vs NY.
Tell me from your couch in VA how Florida handled it so differently, keeping in mind I'm a Florida resident so experienced the policies first hand for a good part of the last year.
Not to mention the Gov. changed the way the numbers were reported (political move) and had the person who was reporting them removed and then later falsely arrested.
DeSantis didn’t handle this well at all.
I suggest you read up on her and that issue. Everything you claim or think you know has now been proven false. Lots of recent articles out there about it. She's a loon. Desantis has been consistent from the start.
Curious how that works 
Curious how that works
