Sussman, Georgia Tech and the Clinton’s. Of course!

[HokieHam]

Nobody spied on Trump...Isn't that the bullsh!t we heard from the parrots?

Yup. Constantly.

Does anyone find it odd that Durham is going to prove all these criminal activities, but his only charge here is against someone for lying to the FBI??

The evidence in the filing implicates others. Are charges for them forthcoming? We'll have to wait and see.

If true, maybe they'll be offered immunity for turning over evidence.
Trump was spied on. That much is for certain.

I think you guys have a hard time discerning spying vs surveillance.

And the filing doesn't contain any evidence.
It contains claims that muat be proven.

The DNS lookups were about traffic between the Russian bank, Alta Bank, and Trump organization used to send out marketing emails. The return traffic from Alta was simply the Alta algorithms pinging that server to try and determine if they were spam.
The Dems tried to use that as proof of Russian collusion. The NYT and WaPo didn't even fall for it.

Again…..hilarious.

[RiverguyVT]

Nobody spied on Trump...Isn't that the bullsh!t we heard from the parrots?

Yup. Constantly.

Does anyone find it odd that Durham is going to prove all these criminal activities, but his only charge here is against someone for lying to the FBI??

There are clearly two sets of laws now in this country.
Much like the defenses offered up for Hillary! in years past (she didn't do anything because she was never convicted! ) this may roll over due to statutes of limitations, and a lack of will to prosecute.

Unfortunately, I'm not expecting anything. And that is horrible for this country as we roll toward ruin thanks to the modern US left.

[RiverguyVT]

Nobody spied on Trump...Isn't that the bullsh!t we heard from the parrots?

Yup. Constantly.

Does anyone find it odd that Durham is going to prove all these criminal activities, but his only charge here is against someone for lying to the FBI??

The evidence in the filing implicates others. Are charges for them forthcoming? We'll have to wait and see.

If true, maybe they'll be offered immunity for turning over evidence.
Trump was spied on. That much is for certain.

I think you guys have a hard time discerning spying vs surveillance.

And the filing doesn't contain any evidence.
It contains claims that muat be proven.

The DNS lookups were about traffic between the Russian bank, Alta Bank, and Trump organization used to send out marketing emails. The return traffic from Alta was simply the Alta algorithms pinging that server to try and determine if they were spam.
The Dems tried to use that as proof of Russian collusion. The NYT and WaPo didn't even fall for it.

OMAA

You aren't really going to grammar-parse this, are you? Oh wait. You already are. Good grief man.

Yeah, it was the good kind of spying. Trump sucks so it was okay.

[HokieFanDC]

Nobody spied on Trump...Isn't that the bullsh!t we heard from the parrots?

Yup. Constantly.

Does anyone find it odd that Durham is going to prove all these criminal activities, but his only charge here is against someone for lying to the FBI??

There are clearly two sets of laws now in this country.
Much like the defenses offered up for Hillary! in years past (she didn't do anything because she was never convicted! ) this may roll over due to statutes of limitations, and a lack of will to prosecute.

Unfortunately, I'm not expecting anything. And that is horrible for this country as we roll toward ruin thanks to the modern US left.

How are there 2 sets of laws? The investigation into how the Russia investigation was handled, has been going on for 3 years now. FIrst it was Barr. Then John Bash was tasked with investigating, and he didn't find anything. Then it was Durham, who has been conducting an investigation for almost 3 years now. Dude has done nothing but try and find something to charge someone with, for 3 years. And so far, he's got charges of lying to the FBI.

You're right that Hillary supporters claimed that no conviction = innocence. Which is the same claim Trump supporters make. There are lots of similarities.

And as for surveillance vs spying, that's not parsing. There is a significant difference. You want to conflate them. One is legal, and authorized by the courts, and one is a crime.
What Durham is claiming certainly sounds like spying, but if it is, why isn't he charging someone? It's not like we don't know exactly who was collecting DNS data, and where he collected it. The collected data is there. And Durham is not someone who has a lack of will to prosecute.

[HokieHam]

Durham probe has 'accelerated,' with more people 'cooperating,' coming before grand jury
Durham has run his investigation 'very professionally,' source tells Fox News Digital

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

[RiverguyVT]

Durham probe has 'accelerated,' with more people 'cooperating,' coming before grand jury
Durham has run his investigation 'very professionally,' source tells Fox News Digital

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

[HokieHam]

Turns out the real threat to ‘norms’ was the Hillary Clinton campaign

Russiagate did more than its share to undermine the norm that losing campaigns should accept the result of free and fair elections and to erode confidence in institutions at the highest levels of our government. One way to minimize the harm is to insist on accountability. The people who were most invested in Russiagate for the longest, though, are least interested in revisiting its origins, let alone in apologizing for their own credulousness or malice.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/turns-out ... -campaign/

Trump Really Was Spied On
Durham says techies linked to the Clinton campaign had access to White House and Trump Tower internet data.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-tru ... 1644878973

The Durham investigation has entered a new phase and 2 glaring questions stand out
The media loved every minute of the three years of Russiagate

So, they fabricated the Big Lie -- claiming Trump was a puppet of Russian President Putin. Voting for Trump was like putting a Russian asset in the Oval Office. They didn’t worry about getting caught since they could bury it once she won.

Clinton’s chief disinformation officer, who was also her foreign policy adviser, peddled the story to the press. The ratings hungry media was happy to repeat the Big Lie. They hated Trump with a passion, so savaging him was easy.

So, they kept digging. It was easy enough to continue hacking into the Trump Tower servers as Trump’s campaign office morphed in his presidential transition office. Again, they found nothing because there was nothing to find. They had no choice but to double down on Trump-Russia collusion. The Big Lie got bigger.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/durham- ... -mcfarland

[RiverguyVT]

That woman is loathsome.

[RiverguyVT]

Two pieces

https://technofog.substack.com/p/the-un ... ed?r=fqvbg


https://justthenews.com/accountability/ ... l-security

"Are you aware of any collusion, coordination, or conspiracy by yourself or by any other members of the campaign that you were working with to procure fake Russian information to harm Donald Trump?" Sullivan was asked in December 2017.

Sullivan responded without ambiguity. "I mean, you will forgive me if I want to say more than just an emphatic 'No' to that answer, because I find that totally absurd," he answered.

[RiverguyVT]

The more I read about this thing... man!

Corrupted institutions. Thanks, Obama voters.


https://technofog.substack.com/p/the-un ... ed?r=fqvbg

[UpstateSCHokie]

Here’s a quick quiz: How do we know the new developments in special counsel John Durham’s investigation are important?

Answer: Because the New York Times and Washington Post claim they aren’t important.

Big Media’s messengers for the Deep State are nothing if not consistent. For years they sold the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax as the greatest story ever told. And now that the entire story is being unmasked as a figment of Hillary Clinton’s presidential ambition, the same suspects insist there’s nothing to see here.

Move along, they say. And by the way, did you see what Donald Trump did today?

It is awfully late in the game to be surprised that our national press corps puts its political agenda ahead of the national interest, but the refusal to treat the Durham probe with the seriousness it deserves takes the dereliction to a new level. The refusal involves deliberate attempts to mislead the public.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/15/the-lefty ... ussiagate/

[HokieJoe]

Spying...

https://freebeacon.com/biden-administra ... n-payroll/

Biden Had Firm at Center of Trump Hacking Scandal on Campaign Payroll
Neustar Information Services executive allegedly wanted Clinton administration post

The Biden campaign paid nearly $20,000 to a cybersecurity firm at the center of Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.

The campaign paid Neustar Information Services in 2020 for accounting and compliance work, according to Federal Election Commission records. According to Durham, Neustar’s chief technology officer, Rodney Joffe, accessed sensitive web traffic data that the company maintained on behalf of the White House executive office in order to collect "derogatory" information about Donald Trump. Joffe allegedly provided the information to Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann, who in turn gave it to the CIA during a meeting in February 2017. Durham charged Sussmann in September with lying to the FBI about his investigation of Trump.

The Biden campaign’s payments raise questions about whether Joffe continued snooping on Trump in the most recent election. The Biden and Clinton campaigns are the only two presidential committees to have ever paid Neustar, according to Federal Election Commission records. Biden’s campaign paid Neustar $18,819 on Sept. 29, 2020, the records show. The Clinton campaign paid the firm $3,000 in May 2015 for mobile phone services. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee paid $3,000 to Neustar in 2017. Neustar executives and staffers contributed $17,906 to Biden’s campaign, FEC records show.

It is unclear what Neustar executives knew of Joffe’s activities on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

Durham alleges that Joffe and his associates "mined" the White House traffic data "for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump." Joffe, who retired from Neustar in September, allegedly told associates that he was investigating Trump in order to please "VIPs" on the Clinton campaign. He also allegedly wanted a job in the Hillary Clinton administration.

Joffe and Neustar have not been named in court filings for the Sussmann case, but Joffe’s attorneys have confirmed his involvement in the matter to news outlets. Joffe has not been charged with wrongdoing. Neustar and Joffe’s lawyer did not respond to requests for comment. The White House referred the Washington Free Beacon to the Democratic National Committee for comment. The organization did not respond.

Trump called for criminal charges against the operatives who sought out his digital dirt.

"This is a scandal far greater in scope and magnitude than Watergate and those who were involved in and knew about this spying operation should be subject to criminal prosecution," Trump said.

Durham alleged in a court filing on Friday that Joffe and his associates "exploited" domain name system Internet traffic for the White House executive office, Trump Tower, and Trump’s apartment building in Manhattan. They had access to the data through what Durham said is Neustar’s "sensitive arrangement" to provide web services to the White House executive office.

Durham alleges that Joffe and his associates "mined" the White House traffic data "for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump." Joffe, who retired from Neustar in September, allegedly told associates that he was investigating Trump in order to please "VIPs" on the Clinton campaign. He also allegedly wanted a job in the Hillary Clinton administration.

Sussmann allegedly provided the CIA with data showing contacts between Trump associates and users of a Russian mobile phone provider. Sussmann told the spy agency the contacts were rare and suspicious, according to Durham. The prosecutor disputed that claim, saying there were millions of contacts with users of the Russian provider, including from the Obama White House.

Joffe began helping the Clinton campaign in mid-2016 after he found what he claimed was suspicious Internet chatter between the servers of Russia’s Alfa Bank and Trump’s real estate company, the Trump Organization. Sussmann shared Joffe’s findings with journalists and then-FBI general counsel James Baker. Sussmann is accused of lying to Baker during a Sept. 19, 2016, meeting by denying that he was investigating Trump on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

According to Durham, Clinton campaign lawyers told campaign officials, including Jake Sullivan, about the Alfa Bank claims. Sullivan later joined the Biden campaign and currently serves as national security adviser. His wife is counselor to Attorney General Merrick Garland, who oversees the Durham probe and has final say over a release of a report of the investigation.

Federal investigators have debunked Joffe’s allegations of secret channels of communication between Trump and Russia. The Justice Department inspector general said the FBI determined by February 2017 that there was no basis to the Alfa-Trump allegation. Durham said in his court filing on Friday that his investigators found "no support" for the information Sussmann gave the CIA.

[RiverguyVT]

https://pjmedia.com/columns/victor-davi ... e-n1559938

[HokieHam]

https://pjmedia.com/columns/victor-davi ... e-n1559938

I was hoping he would weigh in on this……and he delivered.

Of course, the smoke here means absolutely no fire…….none whatsoever! riGHt WiNG!

[ip_law-hokie]

Durham probe has 'accelerated,' with more people 'cooperating,' coming before grand jury
Durham has run his investigation 'very professionally,' source tells Fox News Digital

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

[RiverguyVT]

Durham probe has 'accelerated,' with more people 'cooperating,' coming before grand jury
Durham has run his investigation 'very professionally,' source tells Fox News Digital

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

You never ever ever get it when you say you've got it.

Joe still dialing it in, IP? Eh?

[ip_law-hokie]

Durham probe has 'accelerated,' with more people 'cooperating,' coming before grand jury
Durham has run his investigation 'very professionally,' source tells Fox News Digital

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

You never ever ever get it when you say you've got it.

Joe still dialing it in, IP? Eh?

I do enjoy the histrionics. Carry on.

[HokieHam]

Durham probe has 'accelerated,' with more people 'cooperating,' coming before grand jury
Durham has run his investigation 'very professionally,' source tells Fox News Digital

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

You never ever ever get it when you say you've got it.

Joe still dialing it in, IP? Eh?

1. Correct.

2. Silly ip.

[RiverguyVT]

Durham probe has 'accelerated,' with more people 'cooperating,' coming before grand jury
Durham has run his investigation 'very professionally,' source tells Fox News Digital

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

You never ever ever get it when you say you've got it.

Joe still dialing it in, IP? Eh?

I do enjoy the histrionics. Carry on.

histrionics!? LMAO
You're the one that was furious that Ukrop's closed an unprofitable store a mile from your house forcing your mom (gasp!) to have to drive three whole miles to get groceries from Ukrops instead of just one mile.

I'll give you this much credit, though IP
You're not the biggest idiot here.
You're not.
Seriously.
I mean it.
You're not.
Honest.

[HokieFanDC]

Durham probe has 'accelerated,' with more people 'cooperating,' coming before grand jury
Durham has run his investigation 'very professionally,' source tells Fox News Digital

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

You never ever ever get it when you say you've got it.

Joe still dialing it in, IP? Eh?

1. Correct.

2. Silly ip.

If Durham doesn't charge anyone with anything else, what will your reaction be?11

He's been working on this for 2 years.
And he's landed on a lying to the FBI charge.

Why is that. He knows what Sussman and Joffe did. They brought the information that thwy got to the FBI, and Durham exactly what it is, where they got it, and when they got it.
We know they were looking at DNS traffic. And that it was traffic from Trump Tower, another Trump building, and the EOP, in 2016.
And we know what they found, or moreso, what they didn't find.

Yet no claims of spying. No mention of any computer fraud crimes. The malfeasance he claims, is exploitation.
So, what's your take going to be, if that occurs?

[ip_law-hokie]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

You never ever ever get it when you say you've got it.

Joe still dialing it in, IP? Eh?

I do enjoy the histrionics. Carry on.

histrionics!? LMAO
You're the one that was furious that Ukrop's closed an unprofitable store a mile from your house forcing your mom (gasp!) to have to drive three whole miles to get groceries from Ukrops instead of just one mile.

I'll give you this much credit, though IP
You're not the biggest idiot here.
You're not.
Seriously.
I mean it.
You're not.
Honest.

OK. I wish this particular investigation, and thus our nation's system of laws, and integrity, the best.

[HokieHam]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham ... grand-jury

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

You never ever ever get it when you say you've got it.

Joe still dialing it in, IP? Eh?

1. Correct.

2. Silly ip.

If Durham doesn't charge anyone with anything else, what will your reaction be?11

He's been working on this for 2 years.
And he's landed on a lying to the FBI charge.

Why is that. He knows what Sussman and Joffe did. They brought the information that thwy got to the FBI, and Durham exactly what it is, where they got it, and when they got it.
We know they were looking at DNS traffic. And that it was traffic from Trump Tower, another Trump building, and the EOP, in 2016.
And we know what they found, or moreso, what they didn't find.

Yet no claims of spying. No mention of any computer fraud crimes. The malfeasance he claims, is exploitation.
So, what's your take going to be, if that occurs?

It’s obvious you see no problem with what was spelled out…..which is expected.
The investigation is ongoing and accelerating according to some outlets.

I’ve said it before in another thread, but I’m sure ip’s crooked gal skates. They always do.

[RiverguyVT]

It’s obvious you see no problem with what was spelled out…..which is expected.
The investigation is ongoing and accelerating according to some outlets.

I’ve said it before in another thread, but I’m sure ip’s crooked gal skates. They always do.

I have doubts he's read what was spelled out. The posts seem to imply as much, googling instead something like "what should I think about the latest Durham report?".

[RiverguyVT]

Watch this narrative to spread. It will probably show up here.

It wasn't really a lie.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/18/mi ... o-the-fbi/

[HokieFanDC]

Let's keep fingers crossed.
Our nation's system of laws, and integrity, depend upon this.

Got it.

You never ever ever get it when you say you've got it.

Joe still dialing it in, IP? Eh?

1. Correct.

2. Silly ip.

If Durham doesn't charge anyone with anything else, what will your reaction be?11

He's been working on this for 2 years.
And he's landed on a lying to the FBI charge.

Why is that. He knows what Sussman and Joffe did. They brought the information that thwy got to the FBI, and Durham exactly what it is, where they got it, and when they got it.
We know they were looking at DNS traffic. And that it was traffic from Trump Tower, another Trump building, and the EOP, in 2016.
And we know what they found, or moreso, what they didn't find.

Yet no claims of spying. No mention of any computer fraud crimes. The malfeasance he claims, is exploitation.
So, what's your take going to be, if that occurs?

It’s obvious you see no problem with what was spelled out…..which is expected.
The investigation is ongoing and accelerating according to some outlets.

I’ve said it before in another thread, but I’m sure ip’s crooked gal skates. They always do.

I don't see "no problem" with what was spelled out. You being wrong, is what is expected.
What I see is something may be criminal, but almost certainly unethical.
And Durham's filing says exactly that, and nothing more. Read it, "his associates exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP's DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump".

He didn't use the words spying, or infiltrate - criminal terms. He said exploited an arrangement, a non-criminal phrase.
And like you said, the investigation is ongoing. I've seen the claims of accelerating activity, which is just odd, given that it's been 3 years.
And just to be clear, you're take is that if Hillary skates, it's not b/c Durham didn't find any illegal activity, it's because of something?