Federal Spending Up 40 Percent Since 2019

[HokieHam]

https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-spending-40-2019

[HvilleHokie]

For those keeping track at home.. it was up 54 % for 2020 and 2021 (the trump budgets)… and down 14% for 2022-2023 (the Biden budgets)

[HokieHam]

For those keeping track at home.. it was up 54 % for 2020 and 2021 (the trump budgets)… and down 14% for 2022-2023 (the Biden budgets)

For those keeping track…….COVID…….

[HvilleHokie]

For those keeping track at home.. it was up 54 % for 2020 and 2021 (the trump budgets)… and down 14% for 2022-2023 (the Biden budgets)

For those keeping track…….COVID…….

So you don’t mind the 40% increase? Seems odd since you started the thread.

[HokieHam]

For those keeping track at home.. it was up 54 % for 2020 and 2021 (the trump budgets)… and down 14% for 2022-2023 (the Biden budgets)

For those keeping track…….COVID…….

So you don’t mind the 40% increase? Seems odd since you started the thread.

Where did I say that?

[RiverguyVT]

For those keeping track at home.. it was up 54 % for 2020 and 2021 (the trump budgets)… and down 14% for 2022-2023 (the Biden budgets)

Yep.

Drumpf~!'s biggest failure. Spending. He did a lot of good stuff, but like all the others in the last several decades, he spent like a drunken sailor. Bush II, as well.

[HokieFanDC]

https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-spending-40-2019

That's a bizarre way to frame the increase.

"The main drivers of the recent increases have not been the largest three programs—Social Security, Medicare, and defense—but rather rapid growth in numerous other programs."

The top increases came from the largest programs, not other programs. The most egregious is the NonDefense Discretionary. Just goes to show cutting the deficit is going to require cutting Social, Medicare, and Medicaid. Cutting the "numerous other programs" doesn't get us anywhere. NonDefense Discretionary is worth a look and the easiest cut to defend.

Social Security $291M
NonDefense Discretionary $281M
Fed Interest $264M
Medicare $180M
Medicai $176M
Defense $124M

[RiverguyVT]

https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-spending-40-2019

That's a bizarre way to frame the increase.

"The main drivers of the recent increases have not been the largest three programs—Social Security, Medicare, and defense—but rather rapid growth in numerous other programs."

The top increases came from the largest programs, not other programs. The most egregious is the NonDefense Discretionary. Just goes to show cutting the deficit is going to require cutting Social, Medicare, and Medicaid. Cutting the "numerous other programs" doesn't get us anywhere. NonDefense Discretionary is worth a look and the easiest cut to defend.

Social Security $291M
NonDefense Discretionary $281M
Fed Interest $264M
Medicare $180M
Medicai $176M
Defense $124M

I hear ya.

If I were king-for-a-day, Ukraine would be cut off or cut way way waayyyy back.
Entitlements are what they are. I sure as hell wouldn't be buying all the student loans and 'forgiving" them.

[HokieFanDC]

https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-spending-40-2019

That's a bizarre way to frame the increase.

"The main drivers of the recent increases have not been the largest three programs—Social Security, Medicare, and defense—but rather rapid growth in numerous other programs."

The top increases came from the largest programs, not other programs. The most egregious is the NonDefense Discretionary. Just goes to show cutting the deficit is going to require cutting Social, Medicare, and Medicaid. Cutting the "numerous other programs" doesn't get us anywhere. NonDefense Discretionary is worth a look and the easiest cut to defend.

Social Security $291M
NonDefense Discretionary $281M
Fed Interest $264M
Medicare $180M
Medicai $176M
Defense $124M

I hear ya.

If I were king-for-a-day, Ukraine would be cut off or cut way way waayyyy back.
Entitlements are what they are. I sure as hell wouldn't be buying all the student loans and 'forgiving" them.

I'm in favor of cutting back Ukraine help.
I'm OK with some changes to entitlements - gradually increasing retirement age, automatic corrections when the funding falls behind, etc.
Student loan forgiveness, no way.

[fatman]

https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-spending-40-2019

That's a bizarre way to frame the increase.

"The main drivers of the recent increases have not been the largest three programs—Social Security, Medicare, and defense—but rather rapid growth in numerous other programs."

The top increases came from the largest programs, not other programs. The most egregious is the NonDefense Discretionary. Just goes to show cutting the deficit is going to require cutting Social, Medicare, and Medicaid. Cutting the "numerous other programs" doesn't get us anywhere. NonDefense Discretionary is worth a look and the easiest cut to defend.

Social Security $291M
NonDefense Discretionary $281M
Fed Interest $264M
Medicare $180M
Medicai $176M
Defense $124M

I hear ya.

If I were king-for-a-day, Ukraine would be cut off or cut way way waayyyy back.
Entitlements are what they are. I sure as hell wouldn't be buying all the student loans and 'forgiving" them.

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

[RiverguyVT]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

[HokieHam]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

[fatman]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

[HokieHam]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

No it’s not.

ROI……lol

[RiverguyVT]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

[HvilleHokie]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

First, just because you can’t measure the return doesn’t mean there isn’t return. Therefore ROI is applicable.. even if it is unmeasurable.

Second, I think you can measure return.. or at least approximate it. Loss of Russian assets, an American enemy, is measurable.

Third, lend/lease is a term that has been around since the aftermath of ww2. It applies even if it isn’t literally true.

[fatman]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

Lend/Lease has been effectively used by the US for close to a decade. Without lend/lease from the powerful US, Russia would have been rolled by the nazis. Similarly without lend/lease, Putin would have achieved his stated goal and be right on Polands border.

There is a measure or ROI for lend/lease in Ukraine and it is magnificent. The US is dropping a modest 5% of DOD spend and degrading Eussian military potential by > 50%. Zero American combat deaths. Even Lindsey Graham said “best money we ever spent”

Yes. The sums are modest. 5% of DOD spend, mostly old stuff that was gonna be mothballed anyway.

Compare that with the Trillions we’ve wasted protecting the flow of oil in the Middle East or nation building in places idiots like Bush felt he could push into liberal democracies at gunpoint. All those lives and trillions are wasted. Ukraine is an actual liberal democracy, so it’s great to see us helping them.

[HokieJoe]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

Lend/Lease has been effectively used by the US for close to a decade. Without lend/lease from the powerful US, Russia would have been rolled by the nazis. Similarly without lend/lease, Putin would have achieved his stated goal and be right on Polands border.

There is a measure or ROI for lend/lease in Ukraine and it is magnificent. The US is dropping a modest 5% of DOD spend and degrading Eussian military potential by > 50%. Zero American combat deaths. Even Lindsey Graham said “best money we ever spent”

Yes. The sums are modest. 5% of DOD spend, mostly old stuff that was gonna be mothballed anyway.

Compare that with the Trillions we’ve wasted protecting the flow of oil in the Middle East or nation building in places idiots like Bush felt he could push into liberal democracies at gunpoint. All those lives and trillions are wasted. Ukraine is an actual liberal democracy, so it’s great to see us helping them.

Laughably stupid and glorious self-irony considering the reasons why we're dumping billions into Ukraine. What was the ROI on Afghanistan after your POS president pulled us out so dishonorably?

[HokieJoe]

The only DOD cuts would be Ukraine? Probably the greatest ROI of any DOD spending I. The pst 50 years?
Not our bases all over the mid east or Africa or Latin America?
Not the huge investment securing the KSA or whatever the bell we are doing guarding oil fields in Syria?

You would cut off Ukraine as they are defending themselves from genocide in Europe.

bizarre set of priorities.

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

First, just because you can’t measure the return doesn’t mean there isn’t return. Therefore ROI is applicable.. even if it is unmeasurable.

Second, I think you can measure return.. or at least approximate it. Loss of Russian assets, an American enemy, is measurable.

Third, lend/lease is a term that has been around since the aftermath of ww2. It applies even if it isn’t literally true.

Doublespeak. ROI is a fiscal term and it is measurable. Just because leftist clowns like fatmad throw it around doesn't make it a legitimate term in this context. Cost/benefit or trade offs are the words you're looking for.

[HokieHam]

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

First, just because you can’t measure the return doesn’t mean there isn’t return. Therefore ROI is applicable.. even if it is unmeasurable.

Second, I think you can measure return.. or at least approximate it. Loss of Russian assets, an American enemy, is measurable.

Third, lend/lease is a term that has been around since the aftermath of ww2. It applies even if it isn’t literally true.

Doublespeak. ROI is a fiscal term and it is measurable. Just because leftist clowns like fatmad throw it around doesn't make it a legitimate term in this context. Cost/benefit or trade offs are the words you're looking for.

The Orwellian NewSpeak is thick with these types…..

[HokieJoe]

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

First, just because you can’t measure the return doesn’t mean there isn’t return. Therefore ROI is applicable.. even if it is unmeasurable.

Second, I think you can measure return.. or at least approximate it. Loss of Russian assets, an American enemy, is measurable.

Third, lend/lease is a term that has been around since the aftermath of ww2. It applies even if it isn’t literally true.

Doublespeak. ROI is a fiscal term and it is measurable. Just because leftist clowns like fatmad throw it around doesn't make it a legitimate term in this context. Cost/benefit or trade offs are the words you're looking for.

The Orwellian NewSpeak is thick with these types…..

Sure is.

[fatman]

Only DOD cuts- where do I say that? There is a ton of DOD waste. We need to get back to the mission of defense.

ROI - Good grief, you will obviously never stop using this ridiculous term in context with Ukraine. It is beyond silly.

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

Lend/Lease has been effectively used by the US for close to a decade. Without lend/lease from the powerful US, Russia would have been rolled by the nazis. Similarly without lend/lease, Putin would have achieved his stated goal and be right on Polands border.

There is a measure or ROI for lend/lease in Ukraine and it is magnificent. The US is dropping a modest 5% of DOD spend and degrading Eussian military potential by > 50%. Zero American combat deaths. Even Lindsey Graham said “best money we ever spent”

Yes. The sums are modest. 5% of DOD spend, mostly old stuff that was gonna be mothballed anyway.

Compare that with the Trillions we’ve wasted protecting the flow of oil in the Middle East or nation building in places idiots like Bush felt he could push into liberal democracies at gunpoint. All those lives and trillions are wasted. Ukraine is an actual liberal democracy, so it’s great to see us helping them.

Laughably stupid and glorious self-irony considering the reasons why we're dumping billions into Ukraine. What was the ROI on Afghanistan after your POS president pulled us out so dishonorably?

The ROI for going into Afghanistan and pouring trillions in over 20 years was awful. It was negative. 1000s of dead Americans, Trillions of $. No return.

Iraq was even worse. Horrible return on our investment of human lives and $$.

Lend/lease in Ukraine has produced the best ROI for DOD in decades. Zero American troops fighting, >1000% less spending than Iraq. In return, Russia’s military capabilities are reduced by more than 50%.

It’s very simple. Return on investment is the gain per unit of expenditure. In Ukraine that # is off the charts to the +.

In Iraq the ROI was horrific.
In Afghanistan, it was disastrous.
Defending the prince of Saudi Arabia….horrible ROI.
Defending oil fields in Iraq, Syria, etc….horrible ROI.

The trump/Biden plan to cut loses in Afghanistan was actually not a bad decision.

[HokieJoe]

I want to say 60 Minutes did a story on DOD waste…..and it’s once again how they get charged 200x cost of an item due to all the red tape, steps, etc. to sell to them. Start there and they could get so much more bang for their buck. Then work your way through all the other waste.

Let Europe throw more money at Ukraine……not us. We keep ramping it up.

Entitlements need to have something attached to them for anyone who is able-bodied……period.

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

Lend/Lease has been effectively used by the US for close to a decade. Without lend/lease from the powerful US, Russia would have been rolled by the nazis. Similarly without lend/lease, Putin would have achieved his stated goal and be right on Polands border.

There is a measure or ROI for lend/lease in Ukraine and it is magnificent. The US is dropping a modest 5% of DOD spend and degrading Eussian military potential by > 50%. Zero American combat deaths. Even Lindsey Graham said “best money we ever spent”

Yes. The sums are modest. 5% of DOD spend, mostly old stuff that was gonna be mothballed anyway.

Compare that with the Trillions we’ve wasted protecting the flow of oil in the Middle East or nation building in places idiots like Bush felt he could push into liberal democracies at gunpoint. All those lives and trillions are wasted. Ukraine is an actual liberal democracy, so it’s great to see us helping them.

Laughably stupid and glorious self-irony considering the reasons why we're dumping billions into Ukraine. What was the ROI on Afghanistan after your POS president pulled us out so dishonorably?

The ROI for going into Afghanistan and pouring trillions in over 20 years was awful. It was negative. 1000s of dead Americans, Trillions of $. No return.

Iraq was even worse. Horrible return on our investment of human lives and $$.

Lend/lease in Ukraine has produced the best ROI for DOD in decades. Zero American troops fighting, >1000% less spending than Iraq. In return, Russia’s military capabilities are reduced by more than 50%.

It’s very simple. Return on investment is the gain per unit of expenditure. In Ukraine that # is off the charts to the +.

In Iraq the ROI was horrific.
In Afghanistan, it was disastrous.
Defending the prince of Saudi Arabia….horrible ROI.
Defending oil fields in Iraq, Syria, etc….horrible ROI.

The trump/Biden plan to cut loses in Afghanistan was actually not a bad decision.

You're parroting bullsh!t again, fatmad, using terms you don't understand. ROI is measurable, so not applicable to a word you wrote.

I notice you ignored the dishonor in how we withdrew from Afghanistan. It was disgraceful and decidedly un-American. I also see you ignored the part about why we're in Yooookrayne to begin with.

[HokieHam]

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

Lend/Lease has been effectively used by the US for close to a decade. Without lend/lease from the powerful US, Russia would have been rolled by the nazis. Similarly without lend/lease, Putin would have achieved his stated goal and be right on Polands border.

There is a measure or ROI for lend/lease in Ukraine and it is magnificent. The US is dropping a modest 5% of DOD spend and degrading Eussian military potential by > 50%. Zero American combat deaths. Even Lindsey Graham said “best money we ever spent”

Yes. The sums are modest. 5% of DOD spend, mostly old stuff that was gonna be mothballed anyway.

Compare that with the Trillions we’ve wasted protecting the flow of oil in the Middle East or nation building in places idiots like Bush felt he could push into liberal democracies at gunpoint. All those lives and trillions are wasted. Ukraine is an actual liberal democracy, so it’s great to see us helping them.

Laughably stupid and glorious self-irony considering the reasons why we're dumping billions into Ukraine. What was the ROI on Afghanistan after your POS president pulled us out so dishonorably?

The ROI for going into Afghanistan and pouring trillions in over 20 years was awful. It was negative. 1000s of dead Americans, Trillions of $. No return.

Iraq was even worse. Horrible return on our investment of human lives and $$.

Lend/lease in Ukraine has produced the best ROI for DOD in decades. Zero American troops fighting, >1000% less spending than Iraq. In return, Russia’s military capabilities are reduced by more than 50%.

It’s very simple. Return on investment is the gain per unit of expenditure. In Ukraine that # is off the charts to the +.

In Iraq the ROI was horrific.
In Afghanistan, it was disastrous.
Defending the prince of Saudi Arabia….horrible ROI.
Defending oil fields in Iraq, Syria, etc….horrible ROI.

The trump/Biden plan to cut loses in Afghanistan was actually not a bad decision.

You're parroting bullsh!t again, fatmad, using terms you don't understand. ROI is measurable, so not applicable to a word you wrote.

I notice you ignored the dishonor in how we withdrew from Afghanistan. It was disgraceful and decidedly un-American. I also see you ignored the part about why we're in Yooookrayne to begin with.

Amazing how that works. Almost like they get their propaganda spoon fed by the MOT……like Mittens. See the other thread. DrumpF! could have pharted and these two would have screamed it was Russian Collusion……they were both Tru believers during all that BS. Now they’re defending XiDing in the other thread. F’ing hilarious.

[fatman]

Our lend/lease is delivering solid ROI as we spend modest sums to obliterate Russia’s military.

We’ve wasted Trillions in the Middle East securing oil production. If you care about managing DOD spending that’s where the massive waste and poor ROI is centered.

Lend/Lease - Nothing is lent, nothing is leased. Nothing. We'll get nothing back, and will receive no payments.

Solid ROI - on the "feels". You cannot measure "return" so you cannot measure "ROI". It is stupid to keep parroting that term in this context. You're made to feel snuggly about the Ukraine war we've entered, so that's a good return- your snuggly feels.

Modest sums - there is nothing modest about the money being poured into and wasted in Ukraine.

Lend/Lease has been effectively used by the US for close to a decade. Without lend/lease from the powerful US, Russia would have been rolled by the nazis. Similarly without lend/lease, Putin would have achieved his stated goal and be right on Polands border.

There is a measure or ROI for lend/lease in Ukraine and it is magnificent. The US is dropping a modest 5% of DOD spend and degrading Eussian military potential by > 50%. Zero American combat deaths. Even Lindsey Graham said “best money we ever spent”

Yes. The sums are modest. 5% of DOD spend, mostly old stuff that was gonna be mothballed anyway.

Compare that with the Trillions we’ve wasted protecting the flow of oil in the Middle East or nation building in places idiots like Bush felt he could push into liberal democracies at gunpoint. All those lives and trillions are wasted. Ukraine is an actual liberal democracy, so it’s great to see us helping them.

Laughably stupid and glorious self-irony considering the reasons why we're dumping billions into Ukraine. What was the ROI on Afghanistan after your POS president pulled us out so dishonorably?

The ROI for going into Afghanistan and pouring trillions in over 20 years was awful. It was negative. 1000s of dead Americans, Trillions of $. No return.

Iraq was even worse. Horrible return on our investment of human lives and $$.

Lend/lease in Ukraine has produced the best ROI for DOD in decades. Zero American troops fighting, >1000% less spending than Iraq. In return, Russia’s military capabilities are reduced by more than 50%.

It’s very simple. Return on investment is the gain per unit of expenditure. In Ukraine that # is off the charts to the +.

In Iraq the ROI was horrific.
In Afghanistan, it was disastrous.
Defending the prince of Saudi Arabia….horrible ROI.
Defending oil fields in Iraq, Syria, etc….horrible ROI.

The trump/Biden plan to cut loses in Afghanistan was actually not a bad decision.

You're parroting bullsh!t again, fatmad, using terms you don't understand. ROI is measurable, so not applicable to a word you wrote.

I notice you ignored the dishonor in how we withdrew from Afghanistan. It was disgraceful and decidedly un-American. I also see you ignored the part about why we're in Yooookrayne to begin with.

First of all, WE aren’t in Ukraine. We are supporting them via lend/lease. We are seeing massive ROI for lend/lease. Ukraine has fought Putin to basically a tie. If WE were there, you would know. Russia’s navy would be sunk and their air force obliterated before the weekend ends.

The destruction of Russia’s military capability is easily measurable. They’ve lost 200,000 men, thousands of tanks, 100s of aircraft. The flag shop of their Black Sea fleet is on the floor of the sea. All documented. All measurable.

The trump/Biden plan to withdrawal from Ukraine was indeed embarrassing. It’s a minor sin, the mortal sin is wasting thousands of American lives and Trillions of dollars with no plan of success. You have it all wrong. At least now we have stopped hemorrhaging American lives and taxpayer dollars over there. We are better off now than we were 4 years ago when we were burning massive piles of $$$$.