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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


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That's just the PC USA. Frankly, I assumed they were already doing this.

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if society likes the way this is going, great for them. but lets be fair since the term marriage is being opened up. to be fair anybody should be able to marry anything or anybody, if you don't think that is the next step then you are not seeing where society is going.

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Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


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They anti Israel too


Any other scriptures they outright dismiss? They could save themselves a lot of grief by dropping "church" in their name in favor of "country club" or "organization".

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


I vaguely remember when I was laughed at for suggesting that Christian churches will "evolve" by supporting SSM. Churches are about getting butts in the seats.


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nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


I vaguely remember when I was laughed at for suggesting that Christian churches will "evolve" by supporting SSM. Churches are about getting butts in the seats.


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It is laughable. And churches accommodating of the ghey are in decline. Them ignoring clear scripture undermines their authority. The Presbyterians are a great example of the harm coming to those churches ignoring the word.

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nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


I vaguely remember when I was laughed at for suggesting that Christian churches will "evolve" by supporting SSM. Churches are about getting butts in the seats.


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It is laughable. And churches accommodating of the ghey are in decline. Them ignoring clear scripture undermines their authority. The Presbyterians are a great example of the harm coming to those churches ignoring the word.


They've been ignoring scripture for hundreds of years.


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nolanvt wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


I vaguely remember when I was laughed at for suggesting that Christian churches will "evolve" by supporting SSM. Churches are about getting butts in the seats.


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It is laughable. And churches accommodating of the ghey are in decline. Them ignoring clear scripture undermines their authority. The Presbyterians are a great example of the harm coming to those churches ignoring the word.


They've been ignoring scripture for hundreds of years.


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nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...


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Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...


The deal is that while true that we all sin, the church should not openly promote and condone sinful behavior. That is indeed against scripture.

The PC is WAY off track on this.


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Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...


if you marry homosexuals, how can you say homosexuality is a sin? The act of Holy matrimony would be undermined by the relationship itself being unholy. It's like performing a marriage while worshiping a golden calf and then claiming you're Christian.

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nolanvt wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


I vaguely remember when I was laughed at for suggesting that Christian churches will "evolve" by supporting SSM. Churches are about getting butts in the seats.


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Not all of them........

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HokieHam wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


I vaguely remember when I was laughed at for suggesting that Christian churches will "evolve" by supporting SSM. Churches are about getting butts in the seats.


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Not all of them........


Exactly. And while you may see some of the more liberal sects allow this (it's not "evolving" btw), it reflects the hierarchy of the church "leaders" turning away from scripture.

But this also can be found in the Bible so it comes as no real surprise that some "churches" are devolving.


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Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...

Yeah, we are, but the Scriptures call us to repent-to turn from our sin. Do you really want to be a part of a church that condones sin? If so, you compromise the gospel.

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hokie80 wrote:
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nolanvt wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.


I vaguely remember when I was laughed at for suggesting that Christian churches will "evolve" by supporting SSM. Churches are about getting butts in the seats.


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Not all of them........


Exactly. And while you may see some of the more liberal sects allow this (it's not "evolving" btw), it reflects the hierarchy of the church "leaders" turning away from scripture.

But this also can be found in the Bible so it comes as no real surprise that some "churches" are devolving.

Yup. It is a total disregard for the authority and inerrancy of Scripture.

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HokieHam wrote:
Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...

Yeah, we are, but the Scriptures call us to repent-to turn from our sin. Do you really want to be a part of a church that condones sin? If so, you compromise the gospel.


I see no issue with churches opening their doors to any and all. Sin is sin and churches are full of sinners. Same sex couples should be welcome to attend. But they do so knowing that the subject of sin will be brought up and that it is addressed in the Bible.

But the church should not sanctions sin in any form by performing same sex marriages.


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I just wonder what's next? Soon the vatican will be marrying two gay guys in the name of "equality" (read benefits- i.e. money). So what is the next 2-3% of the population cause that folks like Nolan are going to get behind? The gays won- good for them, who's next?


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hokie80 wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...

Yeah, we are, but the Scriptures call us to repent-to turn from our sin. Do you really want to be a part of a church that condones sin? If so, you compromise the gospel.


I see no issue with churches opening their doors to any and all. Sin is sin and churches are full of sinners. Same sex couples should be welcome to attend. But they do so knowing that the subject of sin will be brought up and that it is addressed in the Bible.

But the church should not sanctions sin in any form by performing same sex marriages.

I agree. But churches should NOT accept as members those openly living in sin. Church discipline has taken a back seat in our day and age.

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HokieHam wrote:
hokie80 wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...

Yeah, we are, but the Scriptures call us to repent-to turn from our sin. Do you really want to be a part of a church that condones sin? If so, you compromise the gospel.


I see no issue with churches opening their doors to any and all. Sin is sin and churches are full of sinners. Same sex couples should be welcome to attend. But they do so knowing that the subject of sin will be brought up and that it is addressed in the Bible.

But the church should not sanctions sin in any form by performing same sex marriages.

I agree. But churches should NOT accept as members those openly living in sin. Church discipline has taken a back seat in our day and age.


I'm actually not a fan of "membership" in a church. I don't see any real Biblical requirement for it. The church should be available for all and not give preference to "members". JMHO.


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hokie80 wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...

Yeah, we are, but the Scriptures call us to repent-to turn from our sin. Do you really want to be a part of a church that condones sin? If so, you compromise the gospel.


I see no issue with churches opening their doors to any and all. Sin is sin and churches are full of sinners. Same sex couples should be welcome to attend. But they do so knowing that the subject of sin will be brought up and that it is addressed in the Bible.

But the church should not sanctions sin in any form by performing same sex marriages.


And no ghey clergy.

I can see them using the playbook the libs did in the 60s to now for education. Infiltrate the clergy and rot the church from within. Change interpretations and practices to embrace this sinful lifestyle. Churches should be on the lookout for imposters.

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Some people in this thread are confused on the distinction between trying not to sin and failing vice condoning/endorsing the sin.

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hokie80 wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...

Yeah, we are, but the Scriptures call us to repent-to turn from our sin. Do you really want to be a part of a church that condones sin? If so, you compromise the gospel.


I see no issue with churches opening their doors to any and all. Sin is sin and churches are full of sinners. Same sex couples should be welcome to attend. But they do so knowing that the subject of sin will be brought up and that it is addressed in the Bible.

But the church should not sanctions sin in any form by performing same sex marriages.


And no ghey clergy.

I can see them using the playbook the libs did in the 60s to now for education. Infiltrate the clergy and rot the church from within. Change interpretations and practices to embrace this sinful lifestyle. Churches should be on the lookout for imposters.


Ignoring your slur and political commentary, I agree that by allowing an openly gay person to serve in a clergy position is also not acceptable to scripture and does show endorsement of sin.


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what slur?

hokie80 wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
hokie80 wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Hokie5150 wrote:
nova1111 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/19/presbyterians-allow-gay-marriage-ceremonies/10922053/

Individual churches will have to 'confirm' this, but apparently there's not a huge fight expected. Clergy with same sex partners were approved three years ago, I believe. It takes effect where such marriages are otherwise legal, as I understand it.
We are all sinners, so I don't really see where this is such a big deal...

Yeah, we are, but the Scriptures call us to repent-to turn from our sin. Do you really want to be a part of a church that condones sin? If so, you compromise the gospel.


I see no issue with churches opening their doors to any and all. Sin is sin and churches are full of sinners. Same sex couples should be welcome to attend. But they do so knowing that the subject of sin will be brought up and that it is addressed in the Bible.

But the church should not sanctions sin in any form by performing same sex marriages.


And no ghey clergy.

I can see them using the playbook the libs did in the 60s to now for education. Infiltrate the clergy and rot the church from within. Change interpretations and practices to embrace this sinful lifestyle. Churches should be on the lookout for imposters.


Ignoring your slur and political commentary, I agree that by allowing an openly gay person to serve in a clergy position is also not acceptable to scripture and does show endorsement of sin.

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