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I'm by no means and expert on Christianity, but you're clearly missing the distinction here.Hokie5150 wrote:No hang up at all...awesome guy wrote:I don't understand your hangup here.Hokie5150 wrote:You can repent and still be sinner...
Oh, so people magically don't sin in while in church. Gotcha. So there are no impure thoughts going there. No lust, envy, etc. I see.awesome guy wrote:No, I'm saying one sin is being acted out within the church. Not only acted out, but accepted as righteous.
sin is sin.USN_Hokie wrote:I'm by no means and expert on Christianity, but you're clearly missing the distinction here.Hokie5150 wrote:No hang up at all...awesome guy wrote:I don't understand your hangup here.Hokie5150 wrote:You can repent and still be sinner...
We can't see or know that's happening. But if sin is seen and recognized, it has to be called out and ended.Hokie5150 wrote:Oh, so people magically don't sin in while in church. Gotcha. So there are no impure thoughts going there. No lust, envy, etc. I see.awesome guy wrote:No, I'm saying one sin is being acted out within the church. Not only acted out, but accepted as righteous.
Also, out of curiousity, just what is the hierarchy of sin. Where does a gay couple being involved in a committed, loving relationship fall relative to, say, the choir director having lustful thoughts over a member of the congregation?
If there are human beings in that building with you, sin is seen and recognized. Well, sometimes, the self-righteous don't see it...awesome guy wrote:We can't see or know that's happening. But if sin is seen and recognized, it has to be called out and ended.
Committed and loving has nothing to do with homosexual marriage. I doubt the former through stats, but the very relationship is sinful. There's no way for it to be justified before the lord.
I think you're going out of your way to miss the easily understood.
come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.Hokie5150 wrote:If there are human beings in that building with you, sin is seen and recognized. Well, sometimes, the self-righteous don't see it...awesome guy wrote:We can't see or know that's happening. But if sin is seen and recognized, it has to be called out and ended.
Committed and loving has nothing to do with homosexual marriage. I doubt the former through stats, but the very relationship is sinful. There's no way for it to be justified before the lord.
I think you're going out of your way to miss the easily understood.
JFC, jesusfacepalm.gifHokie5150 wrote:sin is sin.USN_Hokie wrote:I'm by no means and expert on Christianity, but you're clearly missing the distinction here.Hokie5150 wrote:No hang up at all...awesome guy wrote:I don't understand your hangup here.Hokie5150 wrote:You can repent and still be sinner...
It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Hokie5150 wrote:It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Why do you need to see the sin? Is one sin greater than another? Again, what is the hierarchy of sin?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Which sin? How can I know what sin is in your heart by looking at you? I have no such issue seeing the sin of homosexuality.
You're conflating some generic sense of we're all sinners with seeing specific sins and embracing them as they're being acted out.
The Catholic Church does have a hierarchy. But it doesn't seem that pedophilia is high on their list.Hokie5150 wrote:Why do you need to see the sin? Is one sin greater than another? Again, what is the hierarchy of sin?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Which sin? How can I know what sin is in your heart by looking at you? I have no such issue seeing the sin of homosexuality.
You're conflating some generic sense of we're all sinners with seeing specific sins and embracing them as they're being acted out.
Hokie5150 wrote:Why do you need to see the sin? Is one sin greater than another? Again, what is the hierarchy of sin?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Which sin? How can I know what sin is in your heart by looking at you? I have no such issue seeing the sin of homosexuality.
You're conflating some generic sense of we're all sinners with seeing specific sins and embracing them as they're being acted out.
You are picking nits here.......Hokie5150 wrote:Why do you need to see the sin? Is one sin greater than another? Again, what is the hierarchy of sin?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Which sin? How can I know what sin is in your heart by looking at you? I have no such issue seeing the sin of homosexuality.
You're conflating some generic sense of we're all sinners with seeing specific sins and embracing them as they're being acted out.
So are you saying that homosexuals should be barred from church services?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:Why do you need to see the sin? Is one sin greater than another? Again, what is the hierarchy of sin?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Which sin? How can I know what sin is in your heart by looking at you? I have no such issue seeing the sin of homosexuality.
You're conflating some generic sense of we're all sinners with seeing specific sins and embracing them as they're being acted out.
the sin on display in church? Because you know it's there. You see it. It's what we're supposed to be removing from our lives, yet there go the homosexuals saying it's no sin at all, right during church service. There's no way for the preacher to have any authority if he's openly defying God. There's no way for a gay marriage to be righteous.
Are you feeling ok? You seem highly irrational on this and are digging in just to take jabs instead of accepting the erroneous position you've put worth. Again, answer me this, could anyone in the congregation get naked and know biblicaly anyone in church during the service? How about their friends wife? Answer me why this is unacceptable in the church and you'll have the answer why open homosexuality isn't acceptable in the church service either. How about the preacher showing up drunk?
Nope...you are picking and choosing which sins to get your panties in a bunch over.HokieHam wrote:You are picking nits here.......
FalseHokie5150 wrote:Nope...you are picking and choosing which sins to get your panties in a bunch over.HokieHam wrote:You are picking nits here.......
From membership, clergy, and marriage. They can attend, but not as a couple.hokie80 wrote:So are you saying that homosexuals should be barred from church services?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:Why do you need to see the sin? Is one sin greater than another? Again, what is the hierarchy of sin?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Which sin? How can I know what sin is in your heart by looking at you? I have no such issue seeing the sin of homosexuality.
You're conflating some generic sense of we're all sinners with seeing specific sins and embracing them as they're being acted out.
the sin on display in church? Because you know it's there. You see it. It's what we're supposed to be removing from our lives, yet there go the homosexuals saying it's no sin at all, right during church service. There's no way for the preacher to have any authority if he's openly defying God. There's no way for a gay marriage to be righteous.
Are you feeling ok? You seem highly irrational on this and are digging in just to take jabs instead of accepting the erroneous position you've put worth. Again, answer me this, could anyone in the congregation get naked and know biblicaly anyone in church during the service? How about their friends wife? Answer me why this is unacceptable in the church and you'll have the answer why open homosexuality isn't acceptable in the church service either. How about the preacher showing up drunk?
So, two homosexuals sitting together is a sin?awesome guy wrote:From membership, clergy, and marriage. They can attend, but not as a couple.
As a couple, yep.Hokie5150 wrote:So, two homosexuals sitting together is a sin?awesome guy wrote:From membership, clergy, and marriage. They can attend, but not as a couple.
If they are just sitting together, how do you know they are a couple? How do you see the sin? Gaydar?awesome guy wrote:As a couple, yep.
Really?Hokie5150 wrote:If they are just sitting together, how do you know they are a couple? How do you see the sin? Gaydar?awesome guy wrote:As a couple, yep.
HokieHam wrote:You are picking nits here.......Hokie5150 wrote:Why do you need to see the sin? Is one sin greater than another? Again, what is the hierarchy of sin?awesome guy wrote:Hokie5150 wrote:It takes no gift to know that ALL humans are sinners. Therefore, the sin is right there before you...awesome guy wrote:come on dude. Are you turning 80 on us and can see into the hearts of the choir? It takes no such gift to see the sin of homosexuals, it's visible with the eyes.
Which sin? How can I know what sin is in your heart by looking at you? I have no such issue seeing the sin of homosexuality.
You're conflating some generic sense of we're all sinners with seeing specific sins and embracing them as they're being acted out.
Really? Two men walk into your church and sit together to participate in the worship service. Gay or not?awesome guy wrote:Really?Hokie5150 wrote:If they are just sitting together, how do you know they are a couple? How do you see the sin? Gaydar?awesome guy wrote:As a couple, yep.
I have no idea.Hokie5150 wrote:Really? Two men walk into your church and sit together to participate in the worship service. Gay or not?awesome guy wrote:Really?Hokie5150 wrote:If they are just sitting together, how do you know they are a couple? How do you see the sin? Gaydar?awesome guy wrote:As a couple, yep.
We all openly live in sin every day...HokieHam wrote:But churches should NOT accept as members those openly living in sin. Church discipline has taken a back seat in our day and age.