Parents don't have right to send unvaccinated kids to school

[HokieFanDC]

VA allows you to opt out for religious reasons, but not philosophical ones. Only MS and WV don't allow you to opt out for religious reasons.
The true liberty loving states like CA and VT, allow you to opt out for any reason you want.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/sch ... -laws.aspx

My post was in re to whether private schools were also covered under state laws like public schools.

Got it.

[Major Kong]

Got it.

It is interesting though. I always figured that private schools would be exempt from the same rules that public schools were under.

Then in AZ our son was placed in a private school the 1st year we moved to Pima County and sure enough they wanted all his vaccination records before enrolling said it was State required. Then he was placed in the Amphitheater School District Special Education Center at Rillito where he stayed for the duration of his school career.

[awesome guy]

Got it.

It is interesting though. I always figured that private schools would be exempt from the same rules that public schools were under.

Then in AZ our son was placed in a private school the 1st year we moved to Pima County and sure enough they wanted all his vaccination records before enrolling said it was State required. Then he was placed in the Amphitheater School District Special Education Center at Rillito where he stayed for the duration of his school career.

I'm amazed the libs are so ignorant on this. No wonder they want more regs, they have no idea about the current ones.

[Major Kong]

I'm amazed the libs are so ignorant on this. No wonder they want more regs, they have no idea about the current ones.

Oh I don't know it was something I never really thought about...I never attended a private school until Ferrum.

My sister attended St. Josephs Villa (Dooley school) for 3 years back in the LBJ/Nixon years.

[awesome guy]

I'm amazed the libs are so ignorant on this. No wonder they want more regs, they have no idea about the current ones.

Oh I don't know it was something I never really thought about...I never attended a private school until Ferrum.

My sister attended St. Josephs Villa (Dooley school) for 3 years back in the LBJ/Nixon years.

Not just in education, but there are typically 3 levels of government to deal with. And the further you get from local, more competing agencies with overlapping jurisdictions making our government ungodly to deal with. I wish more people understood this, especially those looking for more regs.

[HokieFanDC]

Got it.

It is interesting though. I always figured that private schools would be exempt from the same rules that public schools were under.

Then in AZ our son was placed in a private school the 1st year we moved to Pima County and sure enough they wanted all his vaccination records before enrolling said it was State required. Then he was placed in the Amphitheater School District Special Education Center at Rillito where he stayed for the duration of his school career.

I'm amazed the libs are so ignorant on this. No wonder they want more regs, they have no idea about the current ones.

I didn't think you considered yourself a lib.

[awesome guy]

Got it.

It is interesting though. I always figured that private schools would be exempt from the same rules that public schools were under.

Then in AZ our son was placed in a private school the 1st year we moved to Pima County and sure enough they wanted all his vaccination records before enrolling said it was State required. Then he was placed in the Amphitheater School District Special Education Center at Rillito where he stayed for the duration of his school career.

I'm amazed the libs are so ignorant on this. No wonder they want more regs, they have no idea about the current ones.

I didn't think you considered yourself a lib.

There you go again

[Major Kong]

Not just in education, but there are typically 3 levels of government to deal with. And the further you get from local, more competing agencies with overlapping jurisdictions making our government ungodly to deal with. I wish more people understood this, especially those looking for more regs.

Just 3 You need to get out more. In the States I've dealt with 5 separate entities.

Local, State, Fed, Tribal and International Compact.

[HokieFanDC]

Got it.

It is interesting though. I always figured that private schools would be exempt from the same rules that public schools were under.

Then in AZ our son was placed in a private school the 1st year we moved to Pima County and sure enough they wanted all his vaccination records before enrolling said it was State required. Then he was placed in the Amphitheater School District Special Education Center at Rillito where he stayed for the duration of his school career.

I'm amazed the libs are so ignorant on this. No wonder they want more regs, they have no idea about the current ones.

I didn't think you considered yourself a lib.

There you go again

What?

[awesome guy]

Not just in education, but there are typically 3 levels of government to deal with. And the further you get from local, more competing agencies with overlapping jurisdictions making our government ungodly to deal with. I wish more people understood this, especially those looking for more regs.

Just 3 You need to get out more. In the States I've dealt with 5 separate entities.

Local, State, Fed, Tribal and International Compact.

True

[awesome guy]

AG - from the original post (pre-HIV tangent)

What right does a parent have to send a kid to public school?

And again - I still fail to see where the government is forcing them to have their kid vaccinated. As far as I can tell, the requirement by the school for admission doesn't impact their right to choose to not vaccinate (no matter how idiotic their reasoning).

Another question (taking religion out of it). If a parent decides to not get their minor child vaccinated against say, smallpox and the child later contract smallpox from another anti-vax infected child, should the parent be considered for child endangerment charges?

I don't know how else to explain that creating a burden without compliance is forcing the issue. School vouchers solves this for me.

I don't think so. Not all tragedies are crimes.

I'll expand on the second point. I can certainly see where you're coming from. The parents are taking on risk. But is it criminal? I take risk by kayaking with a 4 year old. Should I be jailed if something tragic happens? My point is we're always evaluating risks. The anti vacation people, while likely making a poor choice, are also making what they think is the best choice. I have a hard time criminalizing that. Though at some point, the risk is so obvious that we're effectively criminalizing stupidity. I don't think this crosses that threshold as there is a flimsy rationale against vaccinations.

Alright, let's expand on this... what about parents who refuse proven medical treatment so they can pray away their child's affliction? Let's say a child has a severe asthma attack which can be treated with a nebulizer treatment, but the parents believe they can pray to God to cure the child. They pray their little hearts out and the child anguishes through a horrible period of gasping for air and just can't get enough, so he suffocates in front of his parents' bowed heads and dies.

Is that cool or criminal?

Not criminal. I think they have a right to that choice.

What about the rights of the child?

How about if they decided to meditate instead of taking their dying child to get medical attention?

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Been pondering this all afternoon and am honestly conflicted. On one hand, I see the need in saving the kid from negligence. On the other, the parents have rights too. I don't have an answer.

[Uprising]

I don't know how else to explain that creating a burden without compliance is forcing the issue. School vouchers solves this for me.

I don't think so. Not all tragedies are crimes.

I'll expand on the second point. I can certainly see where you're coming from. The parents are taking on risk. But is it criminal? I take risk by kayaking with a 4 year old. Should I be jailed if something tragic happens? My point is we're always evaluating risks. The anti vacation people, while likely making a poor choice, are also making what they think is the best choice. I have a hard time criminalizing that. Though at some point, the risk is so obvious that we're effectively criminalizing stupidity. I don't think this crosses that threshold as there is a flimsy rationale against vaccinations.

Alright, let's expand on this... what about parents who refuse proven medical treatment so they can pray away their child's affliction? Let's say a child has a severe asthma attack which can be treated with a nebulizer treatment, but the parents believe they can pray to God to cure the child. They pray their little hearts out and the child anguishes through a horrible period of gasping for air and just can't get enough, so he suffocates in front of his parents' bowed heads and dies.

Is that cool or criminal?

Not criminal. I think they have a right to that choice.

What about the rights of the child?

How about if they decided to meditate instead of taking their dying child to get medical attention?

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Been pondering this all afternoon and am honestly conflicted. On one hand, I see the need in saving the kid from negligence. On the other, the parents have rights too. I don't have an answer.

If the child falls in a pool and the patents do nothing to save it but pray, is that criminal?

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[awesome guy]

I'll expand on the second point. I can certainly see where you're coming from. The parents are taking on risk. But is it criminal? I take risk by kayaking with a 4 year old. Should I be jailed if something tragic happens? My point is we're always evaluating risks. The anti vacation people, while likely making a poor choice, are also making what they think is the best choice. I have a hard time criminalizing that. Though at some point, the risk is so obvious that we're effectively criminalizing stupidity. I don't think this crosses that threshold as there is a flimsy rationale against vaccinations.

Alright, let's expand on this... what about parents who refuse proven medical treatment so they can pray away their child's affliction? Let's say a child has a severe asthma attack which can be treated with a nebulizer treatment, but the parents believe they can pray to God to cure the child. They pray their little hearts out and the child anguishes through a horrible period of gasping for air and just can't get enough, so he suffocates in front of his parents' bowed heads and dies.

Is that cool or criminal?

Not criminal. I think they have a right to that choice.

What about the rights of the child?

How about if they decided to meditate instead of taking their dying child to get medical attention?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

Been pondering this all afternoon and am honestly conflicted. On one hand, I see the need in saving the kid from negligence. On the other, the parents have rights too. I don't have an answer.

If the child falls in a pool and the patents do nothing to save it but pray, is that criminal?

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yes

[Uprising]

Alright, let's expand on this... what about parents who refuse proven medical treatment so they can pray away their child's affliction? Let's say a child has a severe asthma attack which can be treated with a nebulizer treatment, but the parents believe they can pray to God to cure the child. They pray their little hearts out and the child anguishes through a horrible period of gasping for air and just can't get enough, so he suffocates in front of his parents' bowed heads and dies.

Is that cool or criminal?

Not criminal. I think they have a right to that choice.

What about the rights of the child?

How about if they decided to meditate instead of taking their dying child to get medical attention?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

Been pondering this all afternoon and am honestly conflicted. On one hand, I see the need in saving the kid from negligence. On the other, the parents have rights too. I don't have an answer.

If the child falls in a pool and the patents do nothing to save it but pray, is that criminal?

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yes

I don't see the significant difference between that and the asthma example.

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[awesome guy]

Not criminal. I think they have a right to that choice.

What about the rights of the child?

How about if they decided to meditate instead of taking their dying child to get medical attention?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

Been pondering this all afternoon and am honestly conflicted. On one hand, I see the need in saving the kid from negligence. On the other, the parents have rights too. I don't have an answer.

If the child falls in a pool and the patents do nothing to save it but pray, is that criminal?

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

yes

I don't see the significant difference between that and the asthma example.

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There is a chance of recovery in the former. Pretty much zero in the pool example.

[Major Kong]

If the child falls in a pool and the patents do nothing to save it but pray, is that criminal?

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Patents What does ip have to do with any of this

[Hokie CPA]

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-me ... ated-child

This seems prudent.... just gonna leave this right here.

[Techmomof2]

What's coming over our Southern border and being sent all over the country will be a bigger problem.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/29 ... rn-border/

America is facing a health crisis of unparalleled proportions. We could be weeks away from an outbreak of several pandemics on our southern border which will lead to the United Nations emerging as a legitimized police force operating within the territorial boundaries of the United States, ostensibly here to meet the crisis.

[HokieFanDC]

What's coming over our Southern border and being sent all over the country will be a bigger problem.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/29 ... rn-border/

America is facing a health crisis of unparalleled proportions. We could be weeks away from an outbreak of several pandemics on our southern border which will lead to the United Nations emerging as a legitimized police force operating within the territorial boundaries of the United States, ostensibly here to meet the crisis.

I like the shout out for Dr. Orient, touting her amazing credential of being executive director for AAPS. I'm sure lots of dipwads are amazed at this inpiring accomplishment.