Republicans want to reduce food stamps. Oh no.

[oaktonhokie]

In a program run so perfectly. No waste fraud or abuse.

Everyone getting stamps needs every nickel. Lobster is expensive.

But seriously folks, can any portion of it be reduced?

Any small portion, over ten years for example?

I would like to ask a bleeding heart lib/radical/Marxist:

Is there ANY amount of spending on food stamps that is TOO BIG?
Is there ANY amount of waste that is too much?
Is there ANY amount of fraud or abuse that is too excessive?

Would nancy pelooooza vote for a trillion dollars in food stamps? And if she did not, is she devoid of compassion, racist?

Will any lib anywhere admit that any gov't program for any issue is too big .... other than the military of course?

If the number were currently one trillion dollars, and there was known to be as there is now, rampant waste fraud and abuse, would any lib anywhere suggest that 1/2 of 1% be reduced....?

It's about the children, I think.

Feel good, don't do good.

http://news.msn.com/us/house-approves-d ... mps?stay=1

[Marine Hokie]

Food stamps are economic stimulus.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HjTX0wdMW4[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HjTX0wdMW4

"you have to recognize that it’s also an economic stimulus. Every dollar of snap benefits generates $1.84 in the economy in terms of economic activity. If people are able to buy a little more in the grocery store, then someone has to stock it, shelve it, process it, package it, ship it. All of those are jobs. It’s the most direct stimulus you can get in the economy during these tough times." -Sec of Agriculture

In a program run so perfectly. No waste fraud or abuse.

Everyone getting stamps needs every nickel. Lobster is expensive.

But seriously folks, can any portion of it be reduced?

Any small portion, over ten years for example?

I would like to ask a bleeding heart lib/radical/Marxist:

Is there ANY amount of spending on food stamps that is TOO BIG?
Is there ANY amount of waste that is too much?
Is there ANY amount of fraud or abuse that is too excessive?

Would nancy pelooooza vote for a trillion dollars in food stamps? And if she did not, is she devoid of compassion, racist?

Will any lib anywhere admit that any gov't program for any issue is too big .... other than the military of course?

If the number were currently one trillion dollars, and there was known to be as there is now, rampant waste fraud and abuse, would any lib anywhere suggest that 1/2 of 1% be reduced....?

It's about the children, I think.

Feel good, don't do good.

http://news.msn.com/us/house-approves-d ... mps?stay=1

[UpstateSCHokie]

It terrifying to think that we have people in high leadership positions within this government that think the economy is stimulated by taking away from the producers and giving the fruits of their labor to people who produce nothing. There are legitimate arguments for taking care of our our needy, but to argue that it helps the economy is pure retardedness.

Food stamps are economic stimulus.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HjTX0wdMW4[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HjTX0wdMW4

"you have to recognize that it’s also an economic stimulus. Every dollar of snap benefits generates $1.84 in the economy in terms of economic activity. If people are able to buy a little more in the grocery store, then someone has to stock it, shelve it, process it, package it, ship it. All of those are jobs. It’s the most direct stimulus you can get in the economy during these tough times." -Sec of Agriculture

In a program run so perfectly. No waste fraud or abuse.

Everyone getting stamps needs every nickel. Lobster is expensive.

But seriously folks, can any portion of it be reduced?

Any small portion, over ten years for example?

I would like to ask a bleeding heart lib/radical/Marxist:

Is there ANY amount of spending on food stamps that is TOO BIG?
Is there ANY amount of waste that is too much?
Is there ANY amount of fraud or abuse that is too excessive?

Would nancy pelooooza vote for a trillion dollars in food stamps? And if she did not, is she devoid of compassion, racist?

Will any lib anywhere admit that any gov't program for any issue is too big .... other than the military of course?

If the number were currently one trillion dollars, and there was known to be as there is now, rampant waste fraud and abuse, would any lib anywhere suggest that 1/2 of 1% be reduced....?

It's about the children, I think.

Feel good, don't do good.

http://news.msn.com/us/house-approves-d ... mps?stay=1

[Marine Hokie]

Is there an argument that the food stamp program has actually resulted in the poor having more nutritious meals? I keep asking for data, and nobody ever seems to be able to come up with it.

It terrifying to think that we have people in high leadership positions within this government that think the economy is stimulated by taking away from the producers and giving the fruits of their labor to people who produce nothing. There are legitimate arguments for taking care of our our needy, but to argue that it helps the economy is pure retardedness.

Food stamps are economic stimulus.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HjTX0wdMW4[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HjTX0wdMW4

"you have to recognize that it’s also an economic stimulus. Every dollar of snap benefits generates $1.84 in the economy in terms of economic activity. If people are able to buy a little more in the grocery store, then someone has to stock it, shelve it, process it, package it, ship it. All of those are jobs. It’s the most direct stimulus you can get in the economy during these tough times." -Sec of Agriculture

In a program run so perfectly. No waste fraud or abuse.

Everyone getting stamps needs every nickel. Lobster is expensive.

But seriously folks, can any portion of it be reduced?

Any small portion, over ten years for example?

I would like to ask a bleeding heart lib/radical/Marxist:

Is there ANY amount of spending on food stamps that is TOO BIG?
Is there ANY amount of waste that is too much?
Is there ANY amount of fraud or abuse that is too excessive?

Would nancy pelooooza vote for a trillion dollars in food stamps? And if she did not, is she devoid of compassion, racist?

Will any lib anywhere admit that any gov't program for any issue is too big .... other than the military of course?

If the number were currently one trillion dollars, and there was known to be as there is now, rampant waste fraud and abuse, would any lib anywhere suggest that 1/2 of 1% be reduced....?

It's about the children, I think.

Feel good, don't do good.

http://news.msn.com/us/house-approves-d ... mps?stay=1

[HokieHam]

In a program run so perfectly. No waste fraud or abuse.

Everyone getting stamps needs every nickel. Lobster is expensive.

But seriously folks, can any portion of it be reduced?

Any small portion, over ten years for example?

I would like to ask a bleeding heart lib/radical/Marxist:

Is there ANY amount of spending on food stamps that is TOO BIG?
Is there ANY amount of waste that is too much?
Is there ANY amount of fraud or abuse that is too excessive?

Would nancy pelooooza vote for a trillion dollars in food stamps? And if she did not, is she devoid of compassion, racist?

Will any lib anywhere admit that any gov't program for any issue is too big .... other than the military of course?

If the number were currently one trillion dollars, and there was known to be as there is now, rampant waste fraud and abuse, would any lib anywhere suggest that 1/2 of 1% be reduced....?

It's about the children, I think.

Feel good, don't do good.

http://news.msn.com/us/house-approves-d ... mps?stay=1

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ-tvNbGy1M

Interesting Youtube video....the food stamp program should be completely revamped. Those on it should be expected to get off of it within a specified timeframe, if they are able to work. Also, the only items that should be available for purchase are basic foods such as beans, rice, milk eggs. JP Morgan Chase administers the program and I believe it is safe to assume they make billions doing this. Watch the video. It's pretty sickening.

[CFB Apologist]

The Republicans - STILL- Don't get it... They need to tell the poor (perhaps they are poor for a reason) that they love them and are going to do everything to help them- including supporting as much food stamps as possible. They need to tell the gay people they love them, and they need to come out in favor of legalizing marijuana...get these issues off the Dem's alter and then we can focus on the REAL issues like our government not having enough money to be solvent... it is maddening they go after "food stamps".. leave it alone and fix it once you actually get elected. idiots...

In a program run so perfectly. No waste fraud or abuse.

Everyone getting stamps needs every nickel. Lobster is expensive.

But seriously folks, can any portion of it be reduced?

Any small portion, over ten years for example?

I would like to ask a bleeding heart lib/radical/Marxist:

Is there ANY amount of spending on food stamps that is TOO BIG?
Is there ANY amount of waste that is too much?
Is there ANY amount of fraud or abuse that is too excessive?

Would nancy pelooooza vote for a trillion dollars in food stamps? And if she did not, is she devoid of compassion, racist?

Will any lib anywhere admit that any gov't program for any issue is too big .... other than the military of course?

If the number were currently one trillion dollars, and there was known to be as there is now, rampant waste fraud and abuse, would any lib anywhere suggest that 1/2 of 1% be reduced....?

It's about the children, I think.

Feel good, don't do good.

http://news.msn.com/us/house-approves-d ... mps?stay=1

[patriothokie]

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[BigDave]

How to fix the food stamp system:

Cut food stamp funding by 50%

Anyone applying for food stamps must pass a drug test as part of the application, and every week after that.

Anyone on food stamps must do 15-20 hours per week community service, to give back to the community that is supporting them.

All food stamp recipients must demonstrate ACTUAL attempts at finding a job, and will lose all benefits if any job offer is refused.

Any money received as part of food stamps MUST be repaid once the recipient has a job.

And finally, ANYONE failing a drug test, or getting arrested, or becoming pregnant, will IMMEDIATELY lose all benefits.

It's time to take the handouts away from these libs and make them take responsibility for their lives.

Well, I'd just get rid of federal food stamps completely. The program shouldn't even exist to begin with ...

However ... looking at your rules, "and will lose all benefits if any job offer is refused" really stands out to me. So if you live in Nevada and someone offers you a job as a prostitute, if you turn it down, you lose your food stamps?

[awesome guy]

How to fix the food stamp system:

Cut food stamp funding by 50%

Anyone applying for food stamps must pass a drug test as part of the application, and every week after that.

Anyone on food stamps must do 15-20 hours per week community service, to give back to the community that is supporting them.

All food stamp recipients must demonstrate ACTUAL attempts at finding a job, and will lose all benefits if any job offer is refused.

Any money received as part of food stamps MUST be repaid once the recipient has a job.

And finally, ANYONE failing a drug test, or getting arrested, or becoming pregnant, will IMMEDIATELY lose all benefits.

It's time to take the handouts away from these libs and make them take responsibility for their lives.

Just give them some earth boxes to grow vegetables, a cane pole to catch fish, and steal trap for rabbits. Then they can feed themselves. They can feed themselves now, but have an allergy to work.

[Homebrew]

How to fix the food stamp system:

Cut food stamp funding by 50%

Anyone applying for food stamps must pass a drug test as part of the application, and every week after that.

Anyone on food stamps must do 15-20 hours per week community service, to give back to the community that is supporting them.

All food stamp recipients must demonstrate ACTUAL attempts at finding a job, and will lose all benefits if any job offer is refused.

Any money received as part of food stamps MUST be repaid once the recipient has a job.

And finally, ANYONE failing a drug test, or getting arrested, or becoming pregnant, will IMMEDIATELY lose all benefits.

It's time to take the handouts away from these libs and make them take responsibility for their lives.

Well, I'd just get rid of federal food stamps completely. The program shouldn't even exist to begin with ...

However ... looking at your rules, "and will lose all benefits if any job offer is refused" really stands out to me. So if you live in Nevada and someone offers you a job as a prostitute, if you turn it down, you lose your food stamps?

National program therefore can't force person to take a job that is illegal elsewhere in the US.

[oaktonhokie]

Pretty good plan. The two major points are there:

1) Make all forms of welfare uncomfortable. Shameful if possible. Require compliance with all laws including drug laws.
2) Require that the people giving he money get SOMETHING in return. Some effort, some work, something positive.

But that's mean, uncaring and of course..... you know....

How to fix the food stamp system:

Cut food stamp funding by 50%

Anyone applying for food stamps must pass a drug test as part of the application, and every week after that.

Anyone on food stamps must do 15-20 hours per week community service, to give back to the community that is supporting them.

All food stamp recipients must demonstrate ACTUAL attempts at finding a job, and will lose all benefits if any job offer is refused.

Any money received as part of food stamps MUST be repaid once the recipient has a job.

And finally, ANYONE failing a drug test, or getting arrested, or becoming pregnant, will IMMEDIATELY lose all benefits.

It's time to take the handouts away from these libs and make them take responsibility for their lives.

[HokieFanDC]

This post is full of epic fails. Are you just trolling, or are you actually serious?

The dopes in FL already tried the drug test approach. Turns out that almost no one was found to be taking drugs, and they just ended up wasting money on drug tests. Since when is drug testing a good test to determine if someone needs help with food?

A straight cut in food stamp funding is just a number. Cutting is fine with me, but cutting to the right amount, not some arbitrary number, is smarter.
Community service. Sounds good. What would they do? What if they're disabled? What if they have an infant? Lots of issues with this.
Also, people who receive food stamps often have jobs. Are you under some impression that they are all jobless?
Pay it back? Ummm... OK.
If you get pregnant, you lose your food stamps?
Finally, your little jab it libs is so far off base, that's why I think you may be trolling. If you think libs are cornering the market on food stamps, well, you need to do some research before posting.
Or, just spend some time in Missisippi, Louisiana, Alabama, etc.

How to fix the food stamp system:

Cut food stamp funding by 50%

Anyone applying for food stamps must pass a drug test as part of the application, and every week after that.

Anyone on food stamps must do 15-20 hours per week community service, to give back to the community that is supporting them.

All food stamp recipients must demonstrate ACTUAL attempts at finding a job, and will lose all benefits if any job offer is refused.

Any money received as part of food stamps MUST be repaid once the recipient has a job.

And finally, ANYONE failing a drug test, or getting arrested, or becoming pregnant, will IMMEDIATELY lose all benefits.

It's time to take the handouts away from these libs and make them take responsibility for their lives.

[nc87]

This post is full of epic fails. Are you just trolling, or are you actually serious?

The dopes in FL already tried the drug test approach. Turns out that almost no one was found to be taking drugs, and they just ended up wasting money on drug tests. Since when is drug testing a good test to determine if someone needs help with food?

Talking points. Racism. Disdain for the poor. Greed. Don't bring up facts, like the drug testing approach actually costing more money than it saves..... they will push these losing issues until the republican party is completely irrelevant

[Hokie5150]

This post is full of epic fails. Are you just trolling, or are you actually serious?

The dopes in FL already tried the drug test approach. Turns out that almost no one was found to be taking drugs, and they just ended up wasting money on drug tests. Since when is drug testing a good test to determine if someone needs help with food?

Talking points. Racism. Disdain for the poor. Greed. Don't bring up facts, like the drug testing approach actually costing more money than it saves..... they will push these losing issues until the republican party is completely irrelevant

Like the talking point that the GOP is "cutting food stamps" when their bill increases the food stamp budget 57% over 10 years...

[Marine Hokie]

Notice that republican politicians tend to not refute this sort of claim. It helps when they're trying to convince fiscally conservative voters to keep them in office.

This post is full of epic fails. Are you just trolling, or are you actually serious?

The dopes in FL already tried the drug test approach. Turns out that almost no one was found to be taking drugs, and they just ended up wasting money on drug tests. Since when is drug testing a good test to determine if someone needs help with food?

Talking points. Racism. Disdain for the poor. Greed. Don't bring up facts, like the drug testing approach actually costing more money than it saves..... they will push these losing issues until the republican party is completely irrelevant

Like the talking point that the GOP is "cutting food stamps" when their bill increases the food stamp budget 57% over 10 years...

[HokieFanDC]

No it doesn't. The 57% "increase" is a comparison of total spending between 2003-2012, and 2014-2023.
If you look at 2012 spending, the bill is a decrease from that runrate. The expected 10 year spend from 2013-2023 under the current program is $764M. The House bill takes that to $725M. 725<764.

This post is full of epic fails. Are you just trolling, or are you actually serious?

The dopes in FL already tried the drug test approach. Turns out that almost no one was found to be taking drugs, and they just ended up wasting money on drug tests. Since when is drug testing a good test to determine if someone needs help with food?

Talking points. Racism. Disdain for the poor. Greed. Don't bring up facts, like the drug testing approach actually costing more money than it saves..... they will push these losing issues until the republican party is completely irrelevant

Like the talking point that the GOP is "cutting food stamps" when their bill increases the food stamp budget 57% over 10 years...

[Marine Hokie]

Ok, after looking at the actual numbers from the Ag Dept and the report from the CBO, I'm going to partly agree with you. The problem is, these numbers are based on a ballooning amount of recipients, and a 10 year prediction (how does that usually go?). On the other hand, using the 2003-2012 numbers at least somewhat take into account the spending without a recession.
The house bill is definitely a cut from the CBO's estimate, though we both know the real spending will be higher than either. Should food stamps be cut, I'm fine with that. Let's not pretend this will leave people dying in the streets. Most of the cuts close loopholes that expanded the pool of recipients beyond those it was intended to help.
We also shouldn't pretend that republican politicians are against food stamps. There's no basis for that, especially when republican politicians routinely vote to keep them.

No it doesn't. The 57% "increase" is a comparison of total spending between 2003-2012, and 2014-2023.
If you look at 2012 spending, the bill is a decrease from that runrate. The expected 10 year spend from 2013-2023 under the current program is $764M. The House bill takes that to $725M. 725<764.

This post is full of epic fails. Are you just trolling, or are you actually serious?

The dopes in FL already tried the drug test approach. Turns out that almost no one was found to be taking drugs, and they just ended up wasting money on drug tests. Since when is drug testing a good test to determine if someone needs help with food?

Talking points. Racism. Disdain for the poor. Greed. Don't bring up facts, like the drug testing approach actually costing more money than it saves..... they will push these losing issues until the republican party is completely irrelevant

Like the talking point that the GOP is "cutting food stamps" when their bill increases the food stamp budget 57% over 10 years...

[133743Hokie]

They are decreasing the rate of increase

No it doesn't. The 57% "increase" is a comparison of total spending between 2003-2012, and 2014-2023.
If you look at 2012 spending, the bill is a decrease from that runrate. The expected 10 year spend from 2013-2023 under the current program is $764M. The House bill takes that to $725M. 725<764.

This post is full of epic fails. Are you just trolling, or are you actually serious?

The dopes in FL already tried the drug test approach. Turns out that almost no one was found to be taking drugs, and they just ended up wasting money on drug tests. Since when is drug testing a good test to determine if someone needs help with food?

Talking points. Racism. Disdain for the poor. Greed. Don't bring up facts, like the drug testing approach actually costing more money than it saves..... they will push these losing issues until the republican party is completely irrelevant

Like the talking point that the GOP is "cutting food stamps" when their bill increases the food stamp budget 57% over 10 years...

[HokieFanDC]

Nope. The projections are already projecting a decrease. The NRWOA decreases the decrease.

They are decreasing the rate of increase

No it doesn't. The 57% "increase" is a comparison of total spending between 2003-2012, and 2014-2023.
If you look at 2012 spending, the bill is a decrease from that runrate. The expected 10 year spend from 2013-2023 under the current program is $764M. The House bill takes that to $725M. 725<764.

This post is full of epic fails. Are you just trolling, or are you actually serious?

The dopes in FL already tried the drug test approach. Turns out that almost no one was found to be taking drugs, and they just ended up wasting money on drug tests. Since when is drug testing a good test to determine if someone needs help with food?

Talking points. Racism. Disdain for the poor. Greed. Don't bring up facts, like the drug testing approach actually costing more money than it saves..... they will push these losing issues until the republican party is completely irrelevant

Like the talking point that the GOP is "cutting food stamps" when their bill increases the food stamp budget 57% over 10 years...