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defensive wiz now?

How many times does that guy have to get worked for the reputation to wear off?
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Florida Hokie wrote:defensive wiz now?

How many times does that guy have to get worked for the reputation to wear off?
Eh, those dopes always play us close. Some teams just have your number. We're like their Miami in the early days of the rivalry. We could stink up part of season and still beat them, or play them close most years. It's like playing friggin Syracuse in the dome; or Shittsburgh most any year.

ECU probably gets just as good, or better athletes than we do some years. You just don't hear about them because they're marginal academically. At least that's my opinion.
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I would like to see what Foster could do with FSU or Ohio State's recruiting bounty though. Face it, our D doesn't get the same level of recruits as other schools, generally speaking. Scheme will only get you so far.
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HokieJoe wrote:I would like to see what Foster could do with FSU or Ohio State's recruiting bounty though. Face it, our D doesn't get the same level of recruits as other schools, generally speaking. Scheme will only get you so far.
ECU having better athletes is the biggest indictment on Beamer there is.

(I know that's not what you said, but that was my observation today)


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Florida Hokie wrote:defensive wiz now?

How many times does that guy have to get worked for the reputation to wear off?
As to your questions, I'll wait to make a determination until games that count are played since these were preseason games and all.
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Florida Hokie wrote:defensive wiz now?

How many times does that guy have to get worked for the reputation to wear off?
As to your questions, I'll wait to make a determination until games that count are played since these were preseason games and all.
I can't believe he said that.
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HokieJoe wrote:I would like to see what Foster could do with FSU or Ohio State's recruiting bounty though. Face it, our D doesn't get the same level of recruits as other schools, generally speaking. Scheme will only get you so far.
ECU having better athletes is the biggest indictment on Beamer there is.

(I know that's not what you said, but that was my observation today)


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Yes, and that goes back to his mishandling of Stinespring. That mess threw the team and recruiting (IIRC) into a relative tailspin. I see glimmers of the program heading the right direction, but it's hard to overcome the hole we've been in since LT's senior year. I like Leoffler's offense much better than stiney's mess.
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HokieJoe wrote:I would like to see what Foster could do with FSU or Ohio State's recruiting bounty though. Face it, our D doesn't get the same level of recruits as other schools, generally speaking. Scheme will only get you so far.
You could make that excuse for any coach in the country who isn't coaching at FSU or Ohio State, etc. The fact is his scheme gets blown up of he faces a team with a quality O-line and there are a lot of those. He NEVER adjusts during a game. I know he says he's ok giving up the occasional home run play to keep the pressure on but he gives up WAY too many of those now.

I just don't get how he remains untouchable as everyone is crying for Beamer's head.
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Bud Foster is a defensive wiz, but sometimes the talent gap catches up to you. I think that we're at the point where everyone knows that Beamer is retiring soon and so he's not going to get the same caliber of recruits as he was. Duke has a far better recruiting class than us and they have better recruits from Virginia than we do.

I'm not in the "fire Beamer" camp and if he wants one more year, he has earned that right ... but recruiting is just awful. It's not that the coaches suddenly became stupid - it's simply that you don't want to go into an unknown situation.
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Florida Hokie wrote:He NEVER adjusts during a game.
That's simply not true. A few years ago, we had a stretch of second half shutouts. Rarely do we give up more points in the second half than in the first.

I remember games like the 2013 Alabama game - 28 points in the first half, 7 in the second half. Or Marshall that same year where they scored 21 in the first half and didn't score again through the rest of that 3OT game. Or the 2007 ACC championship game with Matty Ice - 16-16 at the half ... BC still has 16 points at the end of the game.

In the past, I was always confident that if we were close and Bud's defense needed to get a shutout for the rest of the game to win, he would do it - the problem would be whether or not the offense could score.
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We have decent skill players on O and the line is the best it has been in awhile. Bud's squad got torched yesterday by a nothing special qb, in the rain.

We are going to be .500 team until we get a new coach. It pains me to say that, but the game has moved past CFB. It sucks because if we had a competent OC like we do now, back when we had players like TT, Ryan Williams, and Eddie Royal, we would have probably been an elite program. Oh well.

Anyway, Bud is not getting the players he once did. I imagine his message might be a little stale with recruits.

I hope we don't make him HC when CFB retires, which God willing is after this season. It is time for a reboot. We can't really do much worse than we are doing now. With the fan support and revenue stream we have, we can't really be worse than be a .500 team, and we are now a .500 team. We will probably end the regular season 7-5, which imo is terrible.


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I think the glow is off bud foster.

I don't think he adjusts often or well.

It seems that after we got up 14-0, he told the boys to go out there and play as poorly as humanly possible. We gave up 35 points to Carolina.

Not south caroliina.
Not the cheats at north Carolina.
EAST freaking Carolina. Who lost to navy.

I am a beamer fan. I believe that frank beamer has done more than any man, ever to enhance the reputation and visibility of our school. I would like for him to leave on his own schedule.

Um frank. It's time.

Kids won't come to a school if they don't know who their coach will be in two years. They know it won't be the guy there now, but they don't know if the offensive philosophy will change, the defense strategy will be different. If the new coach brings in a new position coach that the kid won't like.... That would be the same with any coach ready to retire. FSU, penn state had the same issues.

"I think i'll go to dook." Two of Virginia's top ten are going to dook. That is like having a socialist running for president. And leading in the polls.

We are not a good team. I like what foster has done here. But if he left, i'm ok with that too.

Hope and change.


BigDave wrote:Bud Foster is a defensive wiz, but sometimes the talent gap catches up to you. I think that we're at the point where everyone knows that Beamer is retiring soon and so he's not going to get the same caliber of recruits as he was. Duke has a far better recruiting class than us and they have better recruits from Virginia than we do.

I'm not in the "fire Beamer" camp and if he wants one more year, he has earned that right ... but recruiting is just awful. It's not that the coaches suddenly became stupid - it's simply that you don't want to go into an unknown situation.
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Bay_area_Hokie wrote:We have decent skill players on O and the line is the best it has been in awhile. Bud's squad got torched yesterday by a nothing special qb, in the rain.

We are going to be .500 team until we get a new coach. It pains me to say that, but the game has moved past CFB. It sucks because if we had a competent OC like we do now, back when we had players like TT, Ryan Williams, and Eddie Royal, we would have probably been an elite program. Oh well.

Anyway, Bud is not getting the players he once did. I imagine his message might be a little stale with recruits.

I hope we don't make him HC when CFB retires, which God willing is after this season. It is time for a reboot. We can't really do much worse than we are doing now. With the fan support and revenue stream we have, we can't really be worse than be a .500 team, and we are now a .500 team. We will probably end the regular season 7-5, which imo is terrible.


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When coaches can't convince players like Hand, Nnadi, and Sweat to stay in state and come to VT, the writing is on the wall. VT is not a sexy program, and in today's environment you need elite talent to crack into the upper echelon. In the old days, we could find a lot of diamonds in the rough and coach them up to play above their potential.

Now a days, those diamonds in the rough are harder to find, and I doubt our HC's ability to coach them up like we used to do.

I've been saying for over a year that it's time for Frank to step down. I think we should do all kinds of things to celebrate him and enshrine him in VT football history (build statues, name roads after him etc.). But we need a change if we are going to try and get back to being a consistent top 25 program.
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Bay_area_Hokie wrote:We have decent skill players on O and the line is the best it has been in awhile. Bud's squad got torched yesterday by a nothing special qb, in the rain.

We are going to be .500 team until we get a new coach. It pains me to say that, but the game has moved past CFB. It sucks because if we had a competent OC like we do now, back when we had players like TT, Ryan Williams, and Eddie Royal, we would have probably been an elite program. Oh well.

Anyway, Bud is not getting the players he once did. I imagine his message might be a little stale with recruits.

I hope we don't make him HC when CFB retires, which God willing is after this season. It is time for a reboot. We can't really do much worse than we are doing now. With the fan support and revenue stream we have, we can't really be worse than be a .500 team, and we are now a .500 team. We will probably end the regular season 7-5, which imo is terrible.


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When coaches can't convince players like Hand, Nnadi, and Sweat to stay in state and come to VT, the writing is on the wall. VT is not a sexy program, and in today's environment you need elite talent to crack into the upper echelon. In the old days, we could find a lot of diamonds in the rough and coach them up to play above their potential.

Now a days, those diamonds in the rough are harder to find, and I doubt our HC's ability to coach them up like we used to do.

I've been saying for over a year that it's time for Frank to step down. I think we should do all kinds of things to celebrate him and enshrine him in VT football history (build statues, name roads after him etc.). But we need a change if we are going to try and get back to being a consistent top 25 program.
Yeah I agree UpState, the man turned a sow's ear into a silk purse, and he should be celebrated. It's time to go though. The party is over.


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HokieJoe wrote:I would like to see what Foster could do with FSU or Ohio State's recruiting bounty though. Face it, our D doesn't get the same level of recruits as other schools, generally speaking. Scheme will only get you so far.
You could make that excuse for any coach in the country who isn't coaching at FSU or Ohio State, etc. The fact is his scheme gets blown up of he faces a team with a quality O-line and there are a lot of those. He NEVER adjusts during a game. I know he says he's ok giving up the occasional home run play to keep the pressure on but he gives up WAY too many of those now.

I just don't get how he remains untouchable as everyone is crying for Beamer's head.

I'm not crying for Beamer's head, but he should've made a change at OC a long time ago. I've watched HS offense's with commensurate execution and play calling when Stiney was calling the shots.
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BigDave wrote:Bud Foster is a defensive wiz, but sometimes the talent gap catches up to you. I think that we're at the point where everyone knows that Beamer is retiring soon and so he's not going to get the same caliber of recruits as he was. Duke has a far better recruiting class than us and they have better recruits from Virginia than we do.

I'm not in the "fire Beamer" camp and if he wants one more year, he has earned that right ... but recruiting is just awful. It's not that the coaches suddenly became stupid - it's simply that you don't want to go into an unknown situation.

This is my take on BF as well. He just doesn't get the caliber of athletes that 'elite' programs get. How many 5* DT's, DE's, or LB's has our program had over the years? We've gotten a few 4*'s and several 5* DB's. Otherwise, few. The offense has gotten FAR better recruits historically.

Perhaps worse, is the lack of depth. What this coaching staff can hang it's hat on is coaching up 2 and 3*'s. Beamer and staff just never quite put all of the pieces of the puzzle together to get consistent, top shelf recruits.
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Bay_area_Hokie wrote:We have decent skill players on O and the line is the best it has been in awhile. Bud's squad got torched yesterday by a nothing special qb, in the rain.

We are going to be .500 team until we get a new coach. It pains me to say that, but the game has moved past CFB. It sucks because if we had a competent OC like we do now, back when we had players like TT, Ryan Williams, and Eddie Royal, we would have probably been an elite program. Oh well.

Anyway, Bud is not getting the players he once did. I imagine his message might be a little stale with recruits.

I hope we don't make him HC when CFB retires, which God willing is after this season. It is time for a reboot. We can't really do much worse than we are doing now. With the fan support and revenue stream we have, we can't really be worse than be a .500 team, and we are now a .500 team. We will probably end the regular season 7-5, which imo is terrible.


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Absolutely. We've had some sick skill players on O over the years. The missing ingredients were poor offensive line play, poor playcalling, poor passing game execution...The list goes on. Beamer used mobile QB's as a crutch for his '3 yards and a cloud of dust' playcalling. That sort of scheme is fine if you can get Alabama level talent on the OL and the RB's to stuff it down the other team's throat.
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