Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.RiverguyVT wrote:Agry to disagry.They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
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Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.133743Hokie wrote:But it isn't.RiverguyVT wrote:When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?TheH2 wrote:Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".RiverguyVT wrote:What confidential info has he leaked?TheH2 wrote:There goes Trump.RiverguyVT wrote:Ethical behavior is a requirement to having security clearances.
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Nope. It's about minimizing bribes and blackmail.TheH2 wrote:Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.133743Hokie wrote:But it isn't.RiverguyVT wrote:When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?TheH2 wrote:Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".RiverguyVT wrote:What confidential info has he leaked?TheH2 wrote: There goes Trump.
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No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or notTheH2 wrote:133743Hokie wrote:Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.RiverguyVT wrote:But it isn't.TheH2 wrote:When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?RiverguyVT wrote:Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".TheH2 wrote:
What confidential info has he leaked?
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Discretion has nothing to do with security clearances.
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Just curious, how many clearances have you had? How many polygraphs have you taken?RiverguyVT wrote:Discretion has nothing to do with security clearances.
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This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.133743Hokie wrote: No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not
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Or just stop speaking out of your ass, which is what really happened.TheH2 wrote:This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.133743Hokie wrote: No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not
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This is correct.133743Hokie wrote:Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.RiverguyVT wrote:Agry to disagry.They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
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This is where I stand.133743Hokie wrote:Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.RiverguyVT wrote:Agry to disagry.They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.
Are these the same clandestine CIA agents who won't buy a hotdog at a Nationals game so they don't have to report it?TheH2 wrote:This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.133743Hokie wrote: No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not
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The entire country is balkanizing. Lefty states are moving further to the left and Conservative states more to the right (though the delta has been mostly a shift to the left). It's only going to get worse.ElbertoHokie wrote:This is where I stand.133743Hokie wrote:Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.RiverguyVT wrote:Agry to disagry.They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
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Yup. All the leftists destroy their states with debt and other #shithole policies and then move to the conservative ones with low taxes.....USN_Hokie wrote:The entire country is balkanizing. Lefty states are moving further to the left and Conservative states more to the left.ElbertoHokie wrote:This is where I stand.133743Hokie wrote:Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.RiverguyVT wrote:Agry to disagry.They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
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I dunnoElbertoHokie wrote:This is where I stand.133743Hokie wrote:Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.RiverguyVT wrote:Agry to disagry.They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.
I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world
No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.
Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.
The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.
This is unarguable.
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The left accuses what the left does.RiverguyVT wrote:I dunnoElbertoHokie wrote:This is where I stand.133743Hokie wrote:Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.RiverguyVT wrote:Agry to disagry.They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.
I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world
No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.
Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.
The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.
This is unarguable.
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I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)The left accuses what the left does
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He was another delusional loon.RiverguyVT wrote:I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)The left accuses what the left does
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I dunnoawesome guy wrote:He was another delusional loon.RiverguyVT wrote:I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)The left accuses what the left does
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).
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He was a peak oil loon and couldn't comprehend that electric cars don't pay their road costs when it's financed via gas taxes. I had him categorized as a cowboy that was all hat. Lot's of talking and especially talking down while not being all that bright himself.RiverguyVT wrote:I dunnoawesome guy wrote:He was another delusional loon.RiverguyVT wrote:I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)The left accuses what the left does
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I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.RiverguyVT wrote:I dunnoElbertoHokie wrote:This is where I stand.133743Hokie wrote:Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.RiverguyVT wrote:Agry to disagry.They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.
I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world
No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.
Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.
The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.
This is unarguable.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.
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Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?RiverguyVT wrote:I dunnoawesome guy wrote:He was another delusional loon.RiverguyVT wrote:I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)The left accuses what the left does
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).
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Not only on the peak oil train, but the conductor.USN_Hokie wrote:Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?RiverguyVT wrote:I dunnoawesome guy wrote:He was another delusional loon.RiverguyVT wrote:I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)The left accuses what the left does
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Im not sure I follow. Are you saying social conservatives (and I'm not sure how that is being defined) have always been extremists?I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.
Not sure I agry with that either.
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He's playing a word game that's obfuscating a good point. 40 years ago, it was common sense that a man doesn't get a pap smear. Now you're transphobic if you don't pap smear their natural or mutilated penis. He's calling that socially tolerant when it's really them taking a hard left and then rocketing over the moon.RiverguyVT wrote:Im not sure I follow. Are you saying social conservatives (and I'm not sure how that is being defined) have always been extremists?I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.
Not sure I agry with that either.
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USN_Hokie wrote:Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?RiverguyVT wrote:I dunnoawesome guy wrote:He was another delusional loon.RiverguyVT wrote:I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)The left accuses what the left does
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).
I didn't remember that. Was he saying supply was limited, or that we were running out? Hah.
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